|| *Comments on the 2014 Bank of America 500:* First Page | Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page | View All On One Page View the most recent comment | Post a comment <#post> 1. Kenny posted: 10.09.2014 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jr in 9th that's good to see hears hoping we don't get a repeat of last week :( And Allgaier 16 cool I like seeing that team do well :) 2. The Long Shot posted: 10.09.2014 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So much for that top 20. Trevor Bayne misses the first Sprint Cup race of his career, attempting to make his first Cup race for Roush. 3. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.09.2014 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was fast. Well Jeff Gordon did what he needed too do; start up front. Half the battle is fought, now for the rest. I have alittle doubt Joey and Brad will get up too the front. Good Quing run for Paul Menard. 4. David posted: 10.09.2014 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) I hope racefangurl isn't too broken up over Trevor Bayne's DNQ. Look at the choker, qualifying second. 5. murb posted: 10.09.2014 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) How the hell did Trevor miss the show? 6. TS1420 posted: 10.09.2014 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Smoke fast in practice & qualifying. Hopefully a sign of a great race for him. And hopefully Jimmie finishes worse than he starts again. "Look at the choker, qualifying second." Pfft! Stupid Gordon... Doesn't he know this is October and he should be running with the likes of Timmy Hill & the Bad Karma Racing crew? 7. murb posted: 10.09.2014 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, how the hell did Danica almost out-qualify BOTH Penske cars? 8. TS1420 posted: 10.09.2014 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "How the hell did Trevor miss the show?" He was driving for The RFR Titanic. 9. murb posted: 10.09.2014 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Just to clarify, I wasn't knocking Danica in post 7. I'm just seriously wondering why the Penske cars were that off the pace (not that they were bad by any means - they've just been so fast in qualifying all year that 13th and 17th look kind of head scratching, especially given the title situation). This should be an interesting race though, what with the Penske cars in midpack, and Gordon (looks like the "Fall in the Fall", as DSFF puts it, hasn't quite begun yet) and Harvick up front. I'm sure Larson will make it interesting too before it's over with. Should be a pretty interesting race at Charlotte for once. 10. RaceFanX posted: 10.09.2014 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Trevor Bayne's one-off in a revival of Roush's #6 Ford, a test run for his move up to Cup full-time next season, ends before it begins with a DNQ. 11. Run The Boot posted: 10.09.2014 - 9:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There are always weird power team DNQ's at Charlotte for some reason 12. Daniel posted: 10.09.2014 - 9:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In using fastest 43: #6 Trevor Bayne Out using fastest 43: #32 Blake Koch 13. MAR posted: 10.09.2014 - 9:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Epic fail for Roush and Trevor Bayne missing the race ima make a bold prediction in 5 years RFR will be out of business. 14. someone posted: 10.09.2014 - 9:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) allgaier is the top rookie qualifier!!! hopefully he can snag rookie of the race at least once... 15. ii posted: 10.09.2014 - 10:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Epic fail for Roush and Trevor Bayne missing the race ima make a bold prediction in 5 years RFR will be out of business." Maybe not that early, but I'd give it more like 10, Roush will start to lose more and more sponsors for multiple reasons (Fenway association as well as poor drivers and equipment). The loss of Roush may also be a harmful impact on Ford in NASCAR -- Penske is the only team really holding them up in the sport, and they did the same with Dodge. 16. Mike posted: 10.09.2014 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Not gonna lie, it seems a bit unfortunate to me that Bayne misses the race while Blake Koch gets in, when Koch was half a second slower than anyone else in qualifying. Granted, it's not like anyone else has really done much better in the 32, but still. Murb - I was gonna say about Danica, she did qualify fourth for the 600. So we know she can at least qualify a car here. But yeah, that is bizarrely low for the Penske cars. Logano has only qualified worse than 13th for two other non-plate races this year, Atlanta and Dover 2. (Richmond and Chicagoland don't count, since those lineups were set on practice speeds.) And it's only the third time Keselowski has missed the top 10 in non-plate races, along with Martinsville and Sonoma. 17. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.09.2014 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) The Reason for the downfall of Roush Racing is very simple: Jack Roush screwed Jack Roush. 18. Sarf52 posted: 10.09.2014 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) RPM's resurgance coincides with Roush's downfall...maybe Ford has chosen a new favorite. Well second favorite Penske is their doll at the moment. 19. Canadianfan posted: 10.09.2014 - 11:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well everybody Alexander Rossi will make his first start in F1 filling in for Jules while he fights for his life. Rossi is the first American since Scott Speed to race in F1. I just wish the circumstances weren't what they are. 20. epzik8 posted: 10.09.2014 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I was just glad to see the #6 car back in a Cup session. 21. DH101 posted: 10.09.2014 - 11:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) GoFas racing makes it but not Roush....Ok then 22. David posted: 10.09.2014 - 11:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also of note is Tony Stewart's first top-five start after his return. 23. joey2448 posted: 10.10.2014 - 1:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Man, that's really cool that Alexander Rossi will get a chance to make his F1 debut, even though it's not under the most desirable circumstances. After what happened back at Spa, it's good to see him get another shot. Also, where did the Gibbs guys come from? Pole and third? and ahead of Penske? Wow. Most importantly, Jimmie Johnson starts 21st. HHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! The 48 team is losing its touch! It's looking slower than the 2011 Chase version of itself! 24. The Crimson King posted: 10.10.2014 - 1:06 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm excited that Rossi is getting a shot, but guys let's not forget that it's Mariussa and not Mercedes he's racing for. He'll be lucky to finish on the lead lap in that race (unless it has a lot of safety cars). If Rossi actually finishes in the points in Russia, I'll be shocked. As far as Nascar quali goes, some headscratchers here for sure. Also good job on Menard on starting 6th. Shame that Bayne missed the race, but I feel weird that he out-qualified six other drivers and still misses the field. 25. JoeFan#66#87#8 posted: 10.10.2014 - 1:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Doesn't pertain to this week, but Joe will be attempting 'Dega in the 29 for RAB again. IVR may or may not bring the 87 with Mike Wallace. Didn't show up at Daytona, Said they would bring the 87, but that was before Joe left the team. 26. AveryNH posted: 10.10.2014 - 3:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rossi won't be starting this weekend. Marussia just issued a press release stating they will run one car out of respect to Jules for this race weekend. Rossi hopefully and fittingly will make his debut at Austin. 27. Hinch77 posted: 10.10.2014 - 4:56 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) I have done lots of reading on Bianchi's type of injury (diffuse axonal injury), and I have to say that 90% of people die from this injury. Of the 10% who live and regain conscious, most are not able to function at the level previously. Conclusion, barring a medical marvel or a miraculous event (there, I am pleasing both the religious and non-religious on this board), Bianchi will never drive in F1 again. 28. Hinch77 posted: 10.10.2014 - 4:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Congrats to Andy Seuss on his Southern Modified Championship. 29. We need more Onion posted: 10.10.2014 - 5:22 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) What an effort by Allgaier, he is really closing down on that first top 10 finish. The car looks fast and he is ready, hope to see him take it this time. 30. cjs3872 posted: 10.10.2014 - 5:28 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) I'd say that Trevor Bayne's missing the race might be the shock of the year, given that he was trying to qualify Roush's flagship car (and the #6 is Roush's flagship car, no matter what anyone else says), but if you followed the decline of Roush on the big tracks the last couple of years, something like this may not have been as big a surprise as one would think. Remember that, although he missed the race, Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. was even slower in practice than Bayne was (Bayne was 30th in practice, Stenhouse was 32nd). But this is not the first time something like this has happened at Charlotte. In 1998, Kenny Irwin, Jr. had a DNQ for the Coca-Cola 600 in Robert Yates' beloved #28 car, marking what may have been the only time that car ever failed to qualify for a race. And in this very race in 1994, Dale Earnhardt, Sr. had to take a champion's provisional just to make the field, so freak occurrences like this have taken place at Charlotte in the past. But Bayne's failing to qualify for this race may be the one thing that wakes Jack Roush's organization up, because I believe this is the single biggest embarrassment Roush has had in his 26 years as a car owner in NASCAR, possibly even more than Jeff Burton failing to qualify at Atlanta in the spring of 1996 while second in points, and once and for all shows how dreadfully slow Roush's cars have become on the big tracks. I can guarantee this to just about everyone on this board. Bayne would never have failed to qualify the Wood Brothers' #21 car, had he been entered in that car. And this colossal failure on the part of the Roush team again shows just how smart the Wood Brothers are, because they're now aligning themselves with Penske, realizing that Penske's equipment is far superior to what Roush is putting out there. And just as Matt Kenseth did two years ago, Carl Edwards' decision to leave Roush for JGR at the end of the season may end up saving his career, because even he can't carry Roush's inferior stuff forever. And as I said on the last Cup comments thread, look out for Richard Childress Racing, because they know how to race for championships, and now they've seemingly found speed to go with their trademark consistency. Ryan Newman and Paul Menard are sharing the third row and Austin Dillon was second in practice only to Kevin Harvick, the driver he replaced in the #3 car (was #29 last year). If Childress can keep up their seemingly newfound speed, Ryan Newman may be a real threat to steal the championship, especially if guys like Jimmie Johnson and Brad Keselowski continue to struggle. 31. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.10.2014 - 9:38 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I can guarantee this to just about everyone on this board. Bayne would never have failed to qualify the Wood Brothers' #21 car, had he been entered in that car." I agree 1000%, its the first thing I thought when Bayne was failing to match speeds with the likes of TBR and Front Row. "There are always weird power team DNQ's at Charlotte for some reason" That was when there were 50 or so cars qualifying and several big teams would put an extra car in the race for an up-and-comer or for R&D purposes. With the top 36 on speed, a team that was 25th or so in points would be out or in the top 35 points era, a good car that qualified 20th would go home. 32. MAR posted: 10.10.2014 - 9:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) The only way RFR can survive past 2019 Is hope 1.Carl Edwards steal this year championship. (Wont Happen) 2.Hope Ricky Stenhouse dumps Danica and focus on racing more. (Wont Happen) 3.Hope Greg Biffle doesn't run like Jeff Burton did. 02-04 in a the #16 (Most likely will happen) 4.Hope Trevor Bayne can shake the ghost of Mark Martins past and David Ragan miserable run in the #6 (Dont know if it will happen) 5.Hope nobody steals Chris Buescher from you (Very likely will happen) 33. Daniel posted: 10.10.2014 - 9:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Go Gordon! 34. dennyfan11 posted: 10.10.2014 - 9:56 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) WOW. roush failing to qualify. What a shocker. 35. racefangurl posted: 10.10.2014 - 10:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm a Joey fan as well as a Trevor fan, so I find some comfort in Joey's points lead. And I do have ways to soothe myself, like my favorite music, when NASCAR stuff bothers me. Trevor was good in Nationwide practice which also helps. Not happy about his DNQ, but I saw on foxsports.com, they listed no speed for him. If he wasn't too happy about it, I get it. I don't like it, but it was a last minute deal, someone in that Facebook group I've mentioned said. 36. Smiff_2 posted: 10.10.2014 - 10:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If Childress can keep up their seemingly newfound speed, Ryan Newman may be a real threat to steal the championship, especially if guys like Jimmie Johnson and Brad Keselowski continue to struggle." Brad can't 'continue to struggle' because he simply HASN'T....lol. Yeah, he had the blown tire last week (and is firmly inside the pressure cooker with Junior and Johnson), but he's been solid as a rock performance-wise. He has performed exactly as was expected of him. Now JOHNSON, on the other hand, has definitely NOT performed to his or the 48 team's standards. Before their crash in Kansas, they'd spent 25% of the race and had only been able to climb up to about 20th. They simply aren't showing speed, whereas Keselowski clearly HAS. 37. racefangurl posted: 10.10.2014 - 10:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) No attempts or points on top of the last minute deal with a group that had never been together, for example Bayne and Bob Osbourne had never worked together. 38. Scott B posted: 10.10.2014 - 10:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also, how the hell did Danica almost out-qualify BOTH Penske cars?" It was a good Q-session for Stewart-Haas overall. Smoke 4th, Harvick 7th, Kurt 11th and Danica 14th. I expect the Penske cars will be OK in the race, though. There was less than .2 second lap speed separating the pole from 22nd place, so the top of the field is packed pretty tight. 39. racefangurl posted: 10.10.2014 - 10:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Bayne has always qualified with the Wood Brothers, so I blame the last minute deal with a team that hadn't worked together before. It's not Bayne, it's that situation, basically. 40. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.10.2014 - 10:46 am Rate this comment: (1) (5) If you think Jeff's good qualifying run is gonna erase the ghosts of October and November that he IS in the process of living again right now, then I'm afraid I've got some bad news. 41. racefangurl posted: 10.10.2014 - 10:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, do you like to about bad news? That seems to be your phrase: "I'm afraid I've got some bad news." Well, I have my own over on the Nationwide boards. 42. racefangurl posted: 10.10.2014 - 10:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) DSFF, do you like to TALK about bad news? 43. cjs3872 posted: 10.10.2014 - 11:08 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) MAR (#32), the way things are going at Roush, not only do I not think that organization survives through 2019, I actually don't think they get past 2016, and one of the main reasons why has to do with the age of the car owner and the fact that there's no plan of succession there. Jack Roush is 72 years old, and will be 74 in 2016, and unlike other some key car owners of similar age (Childress and Gibbs, to mention two), there are no plans of succession at Roush, and if they keep running like they have the last couple of years, which has been lousy, I don't see Roush sticking around for more than two more years, mainly due to his advancing years. And Smiff_2, what I meant by Brad Keselowski continuing to struggle is the fact that Penske seems a bit off their game this week, with both cars struggling, relative to what they've been doing, and with Brad down there in 17th on the grid, he can't afford to have another bad finish this week, or he's likely done. Brad's a momentum driver, and he can run real hot and real cold, and this would be the worst possible time for him to run into a cold streak, which he could be in some danger of doing unless they right the ship at the #2 team now. And if you're right, racefangurl, and the thing with Bayne was a last-second deal, the question then becomes, was Roush setting Bayne up to fail? I highly doubt that, but the timing of that would then sure seem to be odd. I still like the fact that Roush paired him up with a veteran crew chief, because that was the mistake he made with Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. And how much faster have the cars gotten in the last two years? Had Trevor Bayne matched Aric Almirola's pole winning lap of 192.940 MPH from the 2012 Coca-Cola 600, and that was just a little over two years ago, he would still have missed the race, because Cole Whitt was the slowest in on speed at 192.974 MPH. That's how much faster the cars have gotten, even compared with two years ago. 44. racefangurl posted: 10.10.2014 - 11:21 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cjs, I feel the deal just came together late,if what I read was correct, so it wasn't a set up to fail. Like maybe he wasn't sure if AdvoCare would step up to allow it to happen. Would he have made under the old qualifying rules? Top-35 in points locked in and then the fastest of the rest and past champ if that provisional's needed? 45. racefangurl posted: 10.10.2014 - 11:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) He was .536 behind Cole Whitt. 46. cjs3872 posted: 10.10.2014 - 11:51 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Yes, he would have under the exemption rules from 2005-2012, because he only would have had to beat one other non-exempt car, which he would have done handily, seeing that he was more than 2 MPH faster than Corey LaJoie in the #77 car, which also hasn't run all the races. But also, if you're going to set someone up to fail, which I agree wasn't the case here, the circumstances under which this deal for this race was put together was a perfect combination of events to set someone up to fail. The plain truth is that this embarrassment may be the best thing to happen to Roush, because it might open him up to just how far behind he is, especially in terms of raw speed. Forget about Edwards (10th) and Biffle (12th) both qualifying in the top dozen, because they don't figure to stay there long. The question is, even if Roush knows he's this far behind, with him being effectively on an island among the Ford teams (even the Wood Brothers are leaving him for Penske), is there any way for him to possibly catch up, because we know Penske is not going to assist him, because it's not Roger's style to do that and no other top Ford team is aligned with Roush. The signing of Sam Hornish, Jr. may also signal that Richard Petty Motorsports, the other quality Ford team in the Cup Series, may begin to side with Penske and move away from Roush, given Hornish's past ties to Penske. Remember that it was a partial deal with Penske that opened up the #9 car for Hornish (Penske is apparently partnering with the team Marcos Ambrose is returning to Australia to run for), and the fact that a long-time Penske driver ended up getting hired could mean that even RPM may end up severing ties with Roush, which would leave Roush on an island with nobody to assist him among the Ford teams. 47. The Long Shot posted: 10.10.2014 - 11:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I have done lots of reading on Bianchi's type of injury (diffuse axonal injury), and I have to say that 90% of people die from this injury. Of the 10% who live and regain conscious, most are not able to function at the level previously." Yeah, I read the same thing. And the latest news I heard on the story seemed to indicate that he might not even make it through the weekend. It's just an awful, awful situation, and as I've said before, it's one that could have been easily prevented. There are calls for the FIA to implement closed cockpits, and while I know there would be issues with aerodynamics and the like, I'd have to agree. 48. Hinch77 posted: 10.10.2014 - 12:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "If you think Jeff's good qualifying run is gonna erase the ghosts of October and November that he IS in the process of living again right now, then I'm afraid I've got some bad news. " Lol. Who's numero uno at Hendrick right now? "Yeah, I read the same thing. And the latest news I heard on the story seemed to indicate that he might not even make it through the weekend. It's just an awful, awful situation, and as I've said before, it's one that could have been easily prevented. There are calls for the FIA to implement closed cockpits, and while I know there would be issues with aerodynamics and the like, I'd have to agree. " There are lots of issues with closed cockpits... such as escape mechanisms. And I've heard that they're trying to get all of Jules' family and friends out to Japan to see him... 49. Sarf52 posted: 10.10.2014 - 12:29 pm Rate this comment: (4) (1) racefangurl ease off the commenting; the race hasn't even started and I'm tiring of your belligerent spew. 50. Schroeder51 posted: 10.10.2014 - 12:31 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Seriously, DaleSrFan has just become a total broken record with his constant "It's October now and it's time for Jeff Gordon to start struggling" posts. At this point I'm starting to become convinced that he's actually trying to jinx Gordon so his prediction can be right. I'd ask him what he would do if Gordon proves him wrong by making it to the final four, but I'm sure he'd respond by saying there's no chance in hell of that happening...so I'm not going to bother. Kyle Busch continues to prove all of us who predicted disaster for him in the Chase wrong by winning the pole. At this point in the Chase he seems to be establishing himself as one of THE favorites to win the title, but how long that will last, I don't know. As for Jimmie Johnson...he REALLY needs to pick it up if he wants to move onto the next round. If he doesn't get a win here, there's a good chance his Chase is over as anything could happen at Talladega... Trevor Bayne failing to qualify in a Roush car indeed might just be the shock of the year; when was the last time a Roush car failed to qualify for a race? Roush's performance has definitely been going downhill...although, considering how many promising drivers were screwed out of chances and had their careers come to a grinding halt thanks to Roush, I'm not really shedding any tears over that. 51. Anonymous posted: 10.10.2014 - 12:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) NASCAR.coms list for the greatest nationwide moments of the last 7 years. Aug. 1, 2009 - Brad Keselowski wins the inaugural NASCAR Nationwide Series race at Iowa Speedway, taking home the Dash 4 Cash bonus in front of 60,000 fans. July 3, 2010 - The new NASCAR Nationwide car makes its race debut at Daytona. Driving a blue-and-yellow #3 Wrangler Chevrolet reminiscent of his father's car, Dale Earnhardt Jr. wins the Subway Jalapeno 250 Powered by Coca-Cola. March 5, 2011 - Danica Patrick finishes fourth at Las Vegas, marking the best finish by a female driver in NASCAR national series history. Aug. 6, 2011 - Ricky Stenhouse Jr. and Carl Edwards wreck coming across the finish line at Iowa Speedway battling for the win. Stenhouse would emerge as the winner, earning his first victory of the season. Aug. 26, 2011 - Kyle Busch's victory at Bristol Motor Speedway moves him past Mark Martin as the series' all-time wins leader (50). Busch has since upped his win total to 69. Nov. 5, 2011 - At Texas Motor Speedway, Kenny Wallace supplants Jason Keller as the series' all-time starts leader (520). Nov. 16, 2013 - Austin Dillon wins the series championship by a scant three points over Sam Hornish Jr. It was Dillon's second national series championship in three years. April, 2014 - Sunoco Rookie of the Year contender Chase Elliott wins consecutive races at Texas Motor Speedway and Darlington Raceway, becoming the youngest driver to win back-to-back races in series history. Aug. 16, 2014 - Chris Buescher claims his first career win in the Nationwide Children's Hospital 200 at Mid-Ohio, while honoring six year-old patient champion Luke Benner.(NASCAR)(10-9-2014) 52. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.10.2014 - 1:20 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "If he doesn't get a win here, there's a good chance his Chase is over as anything could happen at Talladega..." And lets not forget, Jimmie is usually fest or famine at plate races. "I have done lots of reading on Bianchi's type of injury (diffuse axonal injury), and I have to say that 90% of people die from this injury. Of the 10% who live and regain conscious, most are not able to function at the level previously." The track promoters and the FIA should be ashamed (they are not). A persons live hangs in the balence because of the pursuit of the almighty dollar. The more i think about it, the more i think the race should not have happened. 53. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.10.2014 - 1:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) "I'd ask him what he would do if Gordon proves him wrong by making it to the final four, but I'm sure he'd respond by saying there's no chance in hell of that happening...so I'm not going to bother." I've owned up to errors numerous times. I've even made bets. Remember my Bodine praise post? I posted a fully positive post regarding the smart mouth, know it all, annoying, long winded, mannerless, Yankee bastard. 54. racefangurl posted: 10.10.2014 - 1:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) He was .536 behind Cole Whitt. 55. racefangurl posted: 10.10.2014 - 1:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You guys don't like me trying to tell you what to do so Sarf52 shouldn't try to boss me and ugh didn't mean to double post. 56. racefangurl posted: 10.10.2014 - 1:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Cjs, I was thinking someone else would've been left out under the qualifying rules last used in 2012. 57. David posted: 10.10.2014 - 1:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "You guys don't like me trying to tell you what to do so Sarf52 shouldn't try to boss me" It's called standing up for yourself. "Remember my Bodine praise post? I posted a fully positive post regarding the smart mouth, know it all, annoying, long winded, mannerless, Yankee bastard." Except for the one use of that derogatory term (which was fully merited because you didn't have to make the post since Jeff Gordon made the Chase). "Kyle Busch continues to prove all of us who predicted disaster for him in the Chase wrong by winning the pole. At this point in the Chase he seems to be establishing himself as one of THE favorites to win the title, but how long that will last, I don't know.' I remain unconvinced. However, it shall be interesting to see how his Chase goes from here. 58. murb posted: 10.10.2014 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Richard Petty Motorsports, the other quality Ford team in the Cup Series, may begin to side with Penske and move away from Roush" That thought ran through my mind as well, and I really hope it happens. If they're smart, then they ABSOLUTELY should ditch Roush for Penske support. Penske is the clear top dog at Ford now, and most likely will be for at least the next few years. So I really think RPM should try and get some type of deal going with Penske (like the Wood Brothers did). I think they could end up doing a lot better than expected, should it actually happen. 59. cjs3872 posted: 10.10.2014 - 2:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You know, you can make multiple points on the same post, racefangurl. I do it practically all the time, as do many other posters here. That way, instead of using two, three, or more posts to make short points like you frequently do, you can do it all in one post. And by the way, I have a feeling that this may be the race where either one of Chase underdogs scores a victory, or a non-Chaser scores a victory. So far, the four Chase races have been won by three drivers, Keselowski, Gordon, and Logano, who's won twice in the Chase. But given how strong some of the others are running this week, either the second-tier Chasers (the non-HMS or Penske drivers) or non-Chasers (Tony Stewart, Paul Menard, Brian Vickers, or one of the Ganassi drivers) could end up stealing one, which would again throw the Chase upside down. Remember that the top five in points after Talladega automatically advance to the next round, but if a non-Chaser or Joey Logano were to win this one, then the top six in points following the race at Talladega would automatically advance, and with the great unknown Talladega is, Logano could wind up as the only Chase driver to win in this round, which would make it the top eight in points after Talladega being the ones to advance to the third round, seven if Logano fell below seventh, as he's currently the only one locked into the next round. Also, here's another thing to consider about this upcoming race. In 54 years, no driver has ever won the fall race at Charlotte more than three times. Numerous drivers have won it three times, with Jimmie Johnson being the latest to join that group with his win in this race in 2009, but no driver has ever won this race more than three times, and this is the 55th edition of the fall race at Charlotte. And Jimmie Johnson is the only driver in this race that could change that fact. Johnson is one of four three-time winners of this race (Bobby Allison, Cale Yarborough, and Mark Martin being the other three), but there are no four-time winners of this race, which is remarkable if only because this is the 55th running of this event. 60. cjs3872 posted: 10.10.2014 - 2:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well murb, think of the chain of events that led to Sam Hornish, Jr. getting the ride in the #9 car for next year, and there is a very definite Penske connection. Not only did Hornish race for Penske for about a decade, but Penske is also involved with the team that lured Marcos Ambrose away from the Cup Series and back to his homeland of Australia. Add to that the decision to hire Hornish, instead of ex-Roush driver David Ragan, who would have been my choice for that ride, and you can see that, whether directly involved or not, there are very definite Penske ties to Petty's move. And add to that the fact that the Wood Brothers have also switched allegiances to Penske, and everyone knows the great relationship Petty and the Woods have always had through the years, even when they were each other's biggest rivals, and you can see a very definite Penske connection to Petty's decision to hire Hornish. Remember that when Trevor Bayne won the Daytona 500 in 2011, it was none other than Richard Petty himself that showed Glen and Leonard Wood where victory lane was and how to get there, and there has always been respect between Petty and the Wood Brothers. And let's not forget this. Last year, Germain Racing got help from Penske and they began to run better. There was an obvious connection there with Casey Mears, the nephew of four-time Indy winner Rick Mears, driving that car, and we know how strong the bond is between Penske and the Mears family (all 29 of rick's IndyCar wins came driving for Penske), and for that reason, Penske decided to give Germain a hand, and there were times that they were competitive with the top Ford teams. (For instance, about two-thirds through one of the Dover races, Mears' #13 car was THE highest-running Ford in that race at that time.) If Petty is going to get some kind of assistance with this potential Penske tie-in, then they could be up front a little more often than we think next year. 61. Trevor FLUNKIE Bayne posted: 10.10.2014 - 3:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (5) what a beef stew... proving even more that his 500 win was a fluke. 62. The Long Shot posted: 10.10.2014 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "There are lots of issues with closed cockpits... such as escape mechanisms. And I've heard that they're trying to get all of Jules' family and friends out to Japan to see him..." That's true, and I wouldn't be surprised if the cons of adding closed cockpits outweigh the pros. But what other steps can be taken to prevent traumatic head injuries like this? Then again, while this is indeed an important safety issue to discuss, it's not the primary one. I'm not sure Bianchi would have benefitted much from a closed cockpit, considering how fast he was going. What does need to be discussed is how F1 needs to better handle safety procedures under caution, and equally importantly, how to be better prepared for inclement weather. Yes, the track promoters were dickwads for not moving the race up to avoid the typhoon, but why couldn't F1 have simply postponed the race until a time where the rain has ceased and the track is dry? Maybe I'm demonstrating my ignorance of F1 procedures here, but I would think the FIA would be able to do that. Either way, like 1995 Subaru said, the FIA and the track officials need to take a lot of heat for all this. Jules Bianchi may be dead tomorrow (let us hope and pray he is not) because of $$$ and bungled officiating. Changes MUST be made. "Kyle Busch continues to prove all of us who predicted disaster for him in the Chase wrong by winning the pole. At this point in the Chase he seems to be establishing himself as one of THE favorites to win the title, but how long that will last, I don't know. As for Jimmie Johnson...he REALLY needs to pick it up if he wants to move onto the next round. If he doesn't get a win here, there's a good chance his Chase is over as anything could happen at Talladega..." I'm thinking we should stop using the term "favorites to win the title". "Favorites to make the Final Four" would be more apropo, since the "favorite to win the title" is simply the driver in the Final Four who does the best at Homestead. It's nitpicking, I know, but it just goes to show how silly this system is. 63. epzik8 posted: 10.10.2014 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Let's not kill each other here... 64. MAR posted: 10.10.2014 - 5:31 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) If RPM switches over their alliances with penske which will eventually happen Jack Roush should just close up shop and sell the team. 65. Brad Keselowski & Bubba Wallace Fan posted: 10.10.2014 - 7:32 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) "The Reason for the downfall of Roush Racing is very simple: Jack Roush screwed Jack Roush." It's Montreal all over again! In all seriousness, Bayne failing to qualify doesn't say as much about Trevor Bayne as it does Roush Fenway racing. We all knew things were going downhill at RFR, but when a recent Daytona 500 winner can't even crack the top 36, something is seriously wrong. I think it also speaks to the strength of the Wood Brothers team, and that their alliance with Penske coupled with a stellar young talent in Ryan Blaney could lead to some serious upset wins in 2015. I almost feel bad for Trevor. He's gotta be thinking, "Did I make the right decision in signing on to drive the 6 next year? Did I just buy a ticket to board an already sinking ship?" Tough deal. 66. racefangurl posted: 10.10.2014 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) He must feel bad about his DNQ. So I feel bad for him myself. 67. Hinch77 posted: 10.10.2014 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) " 66. racefangurl posted: 10.10.2014 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) He must feel bad about his DNQ. So I feel bad for him myself." If she keeps this up, I will eventually he happier over Trevor Bayne's DNQ than the nut who rejoices every time Mike Harmon DNQ's. 68. Pizzaboy posted: 10.10.2014 - 10:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh lord, I can see this comment section turning into a war zone. 69. epzik8 posted: 10.10.2014 - 11:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ No kidding. 70. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.10.2014 - 11:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did I mention that Penske will likely defeat HMS for the title this year? (That's my "broken record" line; I've said it in about 3 of the recent races' comments page) Brad and Joey aren't struggling at all, Jimmie is the one who is struggling due to the fact he hasn't performed up to Chase expectations. The #2 and #22 will find their way to the front fast, I'm sure. Also, Roush is quickly on the decline. All their cars have been slow this year. Even if they hadn't been, drivers miss races with good teams more frequently than you think (if the team has no points to fall back on). But I agree that the Woods are smart to align with Penske. Not only will that allow them to develop Ryan Blaney, but I can see them getting more help from Roger than what Jack gave them. 71. MAR posted: 10.11.2014 - 12:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) RFR is getting bad karma from all the drivers they screwed over the years u know your organization is in trouble when you resign Ryan Reed who has one top ten at Daytona of all places because he is a walking sponsor yet Danny o Quinn, Colin Braun, Erick Darnell, Who all had better rookie seasons got dumped. 72. AveryNH posted: 10.11.2014 - 1:09 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) And MAR don't forget Todd Kluever, the orginal heir to the 6 throne but when Mark returned for one more year he was dumped after a lackluster sophomore effort in the busch series. And even further back to the truck series in 2001 dumping Nathan Hassleu, who had 4 top 10s mid season and Chuck Hossfeld who was less impressive and had 1 top 10 after only 9 starts. Replacing them with Jon Wood, Biffle, Kurt, and a young Kyle Busch. 73. racefangurl posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Someone here hates Mike Harmon and Hinch77 hates me, so he talks bad about T-Bayne by saying he'll be happy over that DNQ. Roush has aerodynamic/ engineering issues. At least Biffle said it was a bad aerodynamics path they went down. And about Penske better than Roush, Joey has the points lead and would without the Chase. 74. Pizzaboy posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ No, Logano would not be the points leader without the chase. Jeff Gordon would lead the points by 49 points over Logano if there was no chase. 75. racefangurl posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:44 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Someone said Logano would lead anyway, I thought I saw somewhere. Maybe they messed up. 76. Pizzaboy posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ Understandable. I read a comment on a FS1 which said that Gordon was leading by 63 points over Jr. 77. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 12:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Kyle Busch continues to prove all of us who predicted disaster for him in the Chase wrong by winning the pole. At this point in the Chase he seems to be establishing himself as one of THE favorites to win the title" It would be ironic if Kyle Busch were to win the championship with this system, considering he was one of the most outspoken drivers against it when it were announced. Maybe he would stand on principle and not accept it, were he to win it. I'm calling it now...Jimmie Johnson shocks ESPN and the world by struggling to a finish in the low teens tonight and is still in a precarious spot when Dega rolls around next week. And as much as I really want to see Jr. return to his 2001-2004 form at Dega next week and get into the Eliminator Round with a dramatic win there, part of me knows that it very much is a long shot for that to happen. 78. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.11.2014 - 12:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "It would be ironic if Kyle Busch were to win the championship with this system, considering he was one of the most outspoken drivers against it when it were announced. Maybe he would stand on principle and not accept it, were he to win it." Remember what he said he won the first COT race? "yeah i won the first race but i can't stand too drive these things they suck." Martin Truex Jr. had a great comeback too that "Mine sucked too but i finished 17th." Kyle Busch has a habit of opening his mouth and inserting his foot. Goodyear and the teams are playing the blame game again, someone get them a marriage counseler. 79. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2014 - 1:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tonight is the final NASCAR Race on ABC. Unless it rains and the race airs on ESPN (news). In that case, Richmond was the final NASCAR Race on ABC. 80. racefangurl posted: 10.11.2014 - 1:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can watch ABC, but not ESPN. We don't have cable TV. Pizzaboy, I guess it's hard to for people tell who would who by how much without the Chase. I was no more a NASCAR viewer when they used the Latford system. I was a viewer in the second half of the '90's and in 2000. By the time of my return to NASCAR watching, they had the "one driver, one championship rule", wild-card Chase and the current points system. I think the "one driver, one championship rule should be changed. A driver with a full-time Cup ride and not full-time in a lower series the current year should be Cup only, but a minor league (anything lower than Cup) can get points in the series they're full time in and any higher ones they race part-time in. Then, if there was a situation like the 2011 Daytona 500 win, it wouldn't be pointless (what I call it when a driver races in a series they don't gain points in) to the driver. 81. Hinch77 posted: 10.11.2014 - 1:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Someone here hates Mike Harmon and Hinch77 hates me, so he talks bad about T-Bayne by saying he'll be happy over that DNQ. Roush has aerodynamic/ engineering issues. At least Biffle said it was a bad aerodynamics path they went down. And about Penske better than Roush, Joey has the points lead and would without the Chase. " Oh, no, I never said I hate you. I don't hate people as easily as you seem to think. If I did, I'd be a politician. What I hate is your repeated abortion of logic. 82. David posted: 10.11.2014 - 1:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dale Jr. called his shot yesterday, saying "we're gonna win this race". While I would totally be okay with that, I'm 100% sure that people would say that NASCAR "fixed the race" if it did happen. "I'm calling it now...Jimmie Johnson shocks ESPN and the world by struggling to a finish in the low teens tonight and is still in a precarious spot when Dega rolls around next week." I'll take this a step further and make a conditional prediction: if Jimmie Johnson fails to finish in the top ten tonight, he will not advance to the third round. 83. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 10.11.2014 - 2:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) One thing I hate about ABC coverage is why is their sister networks airing in 16:9 (ESPN, ESPNEWS, ESPN2) but ABC themselves is still airing their SD coverage at 4:3. Get along with the times. Even TNT last year decided to switch to 16:9 for SD coverage, even though we criticized their waste of space ad banner on their ticker. At least for broadcast tv coverage next year, FOX and NBC will be 16:9 for all races they broadcast. 84. racefangurl posted: 10.11.2014 - 2:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, I guess I have had Internet haters before. There was this game I played until about 2 years ago and some people in the game's forum said things like "I don't like you" and "You're completely crazy." You don't have to like me or anyone I like. How is it crazy to feel bad for one of my favorite drivers when he probably feels bad over something? 85. Pizzaboy posted: 10.11.2014 - 2:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree racefangurl. And even if the Latford system was still in use, the divers would be racing differently. There really is no reeling what would've happened if this system was still in use. 86. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.11.2014 - 3:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Forgot about the race being on ABC. That means I'll actually be able to watch from home this weekend (assuming it doesn't get rained out and postponed). MAR, I agree with you that it somewhat looks to be karma when it comes to Roush's struggles considering how much of a stranglehold he had on Ford in the past. 87. racefangurl posted: 10.11.2014 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, given all that it's hard to tell who would lead who by how much, like I said. Some people talk about how bad the racing is at certain tracks. Do you think they'd take risk more or less with the Latford system? What mattered more then, wins or points? I couldn't watch races in say, 2000 unless they were on CBS or ABC and I knew anything about the race only if I watched that race. 88. cjs3872 posted: 10.11.2014 - 3:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) You're forgetting ESPN Classic, @83. ESPN Classic still shows it's programming in regular or standard definition, only showing it in widescreen when the events they're reairing were originally shown in that format, and even then, their sports ticker is in the standard definition position at the bottom of the screen. And by the way, if the Cup race is anything like the Nationwide race was, there could be a major shuffling in points positions for those trying to get into the next round that way, because 19 cars, nearly half the field, were involved in crashes in last night's race, including 11 in one wreck and six in another, which is most unusual for a race at Charlotte. If this race is anything like that one was, it's going to be a wild race and will shuffle the standings going into Talladega. 89. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 10.11.2014 - 4:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I knew about ESPN Classic doing the 4:3 SD events. I was referring to the live telecasts of NASCAR events. Also, I knocked ABC for still doing 4:3 SD because between their broadcast tv competition (CBS, FOX, NBC), ABC still broadcasts their sporting events in that SD ratio, meanwhile their competition has mostly shifted to 16:9 widescreen format. 90. Canadianfan posted: 10.11.2014 - 4:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey guys I would better like to understand this whole cable thing. Is it really that costly in the US. I only ask because here up north TSN the Canadian version of ESPN is available to all with or without cable. I have been able to see every Cup and Nationwide race for as long as I can remember. I do have cable with Rogers I know you guys have probably never heard of them but they are the biggest in Canada. 91. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 10.11.2014 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) At least I have an HDTV so no loss for me in reference to my previous two comments. All I'm saying is when I watch next week's race from Talladega on ESPN, say in my bedroom, it will begin a new era where all races from that point for SD will be produced in 16:9 widescreen. Tonight's race will be the last to air in 4:3 SD. 92. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Right now they say there is a 60% chance af T storms. The radar shows a big cell of rain approaching the track. 93. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Raining right now. 94. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 4:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As of now, the rain has let up, but it is still raining lightly. 95. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 5:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Update. it rained a lot heavier for about for 40 minutes, But at 5:30, it stopped raining at the track,and the radar looks clear! were getting this race in tonight! 96. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 6:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) as of now, still not raining, radar looks clear. 97. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.11.2014 - 6:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "While I would totally be okay with that, I'm 100% sure that people would say that NASCAR "fixed the race" if it did happen." Isn't that always the case when he wins? 98. epzik8 posted: 10.11.2014 - 6:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hopefully most of the drama won't be until Talladega. 99. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 6:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Hey guys I would better like to understand this whole cable thing. Is it really that costly in the US. I only ask because here up north TSN the Canadian version of ESPN is available to all with or without cable. I have been able to see every Cup and Nationwide race for as long as I can remember. I do have cable with Rogers I know you guys have probably never heard of them but they are the biggest in Canada." It all depends on how many channels/variety of programming you want or can afford. It definitely is pricier if you want a lot of sports programming and movie programming(HBO, Showtime) that rely mainly on user subscriptions. The US however doesn't have a TV tax/levy that I know Britain does and Canada may have(I'm not sure) to subsidize BBC/CBC and other over-air channels. And I've heard of Rogers, it seems they sponsor every arena/stadium in the country save for where the Leafs and Habs play. 100. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:12 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) On my Tv, this race is being pre-empted by some dumb football game. 101. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The race is under rain delay, you're not missing anything. 102. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) it is? 103. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If it wasn't under rain delay, NASCAR Countdown would be airing on another network tight now, but instead it's coming on "right after the game" according to the bottomline. 104. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) It's 7:30! Where is the race! 105. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They're still drying the track, otherwise the race would be on ESPNEWS or maybe ESPN Classic. 106. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't worry, this game will go into overtime. Lame duck coverage at its finest. 107. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They say the beginning is on ESPNEWS, but there's a basketball game on that. 108. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The basketball game has 20 seconds left. Be patient. 109. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Classic BSPN/ABC. 110. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't think NASCAR is no longer a top priority in the eyes of many network executives as it has dropped far down the totem pole in the last decade or so 111. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) More infuriating BSPN program scheduling. Absolutely cannot wait until they are gone. 112. RaceFanX posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Baylor/TCU game wasn't even on ABC in Michigan, the MSU/Purdue game was. The Spartans won, it finished on time and then they switches to the battle of Texans. 113. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:46 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I'm glad Espn's leaving after this year. This is an absolute joke. 114. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:47 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) ABC/ESPN continuing to show us how little they care about NASCAR now, especially considering they won't be back next year. The majority of us will not miss them very much. 115. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) the idiots they tell you coverage will be on ESPN News put that channel on and its a stupid basketball game BSPN SUCKS!!!! 116. RaceFanX posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good NBA preseason showdown, LeBron and his new Cleveland Cavaliers vs his old Miami Heat in Brazil. Please don't go to OT! 117. Smiff_2 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) F*** you, Baylor.... 118. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:49 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) They say it will be on ESPNEWS or ABC. My ABC is showing College footbal and my ESPNEWS is showing basketball. I'd rather watch TNT's endless audio skipping, it's still better than nothing. 119. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @116: OVERTIME!!?!?! 120. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) That's a spongebob refrence. 121. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Overtime for basketball, anyone wanna talk about PBS while we wait? 122. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:51 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Besides lightning or a really scary injury, a football game in regulation shouldn't last 4 1/2 hours. 123. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So it looks like BOTH the basketball game and the TCU/Baylor college football game are going to go to OT. Fan-freakin'-tastic. 124. epzik8 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is funny... 125. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @121 Sure! 126. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I just saw a tweet that they're putting out a competition caution on lap 25 from the afternoon rain. We won't miss too much. 127. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sunny days, sweeping the clouds away. On my way to wear the air is sweet. Can you tell me where to watch, where to watch the NASCAR Race. 128. Hinch77 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like Mississippi State is done bitch-slapping Auburn. 129. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) TCU/ Baylor is a compelling game. 130. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ESPNEWS, which is not showing it because of OVERTIME!!!!! 131. AveryNH posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The race is actually on espn 3 currently. But for right now. Go Baylor. I just want this game over with 132. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And we've already missed the first few laps... 133. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) This might be the worst coverage call i've ever seen in my life. 134. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:57 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Just another pathetic job by ESPN. That's all there is to say. 135. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "The race is actually on espn 3 currently." What the hell is ESPN 3? 136. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Preseason NBA coverage=officially more important than NASCAR coverage in ESPN's eyes 137. ESPN posted: 10.11.2014 - 7:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) NASCAR IS USELESS!!! FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL RULE! 138. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) @137. Why don't you just bow down to NBC 139. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ESPN3 is only available for some cable subscribers on the watch espn app 140. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Now the NASCAR race and the football game that was supposed to be on ESPN News at 8 are pre-empted. 141. ESPN posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Why don't you just bow down to NBC?" NEVER! 142. AveryNH posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Their online streaming chanel. Anything from lower tier college games, to nhra coverage. But apparently it's not even on that. Ridiculous 143. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We have missed the first 15 laps of this race. If i ever see any coverage call worse than this, I,ll eat my hat. 144. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Gordon has passed Kyle Busch for the lead according to NASCAR.com. Thanks to ESPN, we don't get to see that. 145. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) game over finally now put on our late coverage you idiots 146. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) BAYLOR!!!!!!! That's the 1st and only time I'll ever be happy for them. 147. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) YES! The game is over! NASCAR YAY! 148. Hinch77 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Nice damned job there! Missed Gordo taking the lead! 149. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Baylor wins, so now we finally get to see race coverage... Nah, probably not. Instead we'll probably see 10 minutes worth of post-game interviews... 150. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:03 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) The last time there was this much coverage in Waco, a compound was being burnt down. 151. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh yeah, let's interview the coach now. 152. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) still nothing game is over switch your coverage you morons dang they suck big time 153. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) As they run, the bottom 4 are the same. 154. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And instead of going straight to race coverage, we get commercials! Yay! 155. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ABC/ESPN won't switch to the race cuz Dos Jotas is languishing in mid-pack. 156. ESPN posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) MONEY! GET AWAY! GET A GOOD JOB WITH NO PAY AND YOUR OKAY!!!! 157. epzik8 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, that competition caution should be coming up. 158. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Welcome to the Bank of America 450. The shortest race in the history of Charlotte Motor Speedway. 159. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Coverage kicks in as soon as the competition yellow comes out. 160. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just in time for the competition caution. Give yourself an 80's slow clap, NESPN. 161. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) YES! THE RACE IS ON!!! HURRAH! 162. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:08 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) FINALLY, we get to see race coverage, after missing nearly 50 miles. 163. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm personally expecting this to be a very clean race (the fall race at Charlotte usually has been over the past several years) with few cautions, but then again, I could always be wrong. 164. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Junior takes the lead coming out of the pits with two tires, and Danica is in the top 3. It's a dream situation for ESPN. 165. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Welcome to the Bank of America 450 Presented by the Worldwide Leader in Sports(wink!) ESPN. 166. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) KB to the lead. 167. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch easily blows past Junior on the restart. 168. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We finally see racing... Kyle Busch is leading. Boring. I hope ABC never shows another NASCAR Race ever again. 169. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:15 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Junior takes the lead coming out of the pits with two tires, and Danica is in the top 3. It's a dream situation for ESPN." The dream situation for BSPN would be if a game of football broke out in the infield. 170. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon takes the lead. Only this time I actually saw it happen. 171. Bigjrfan88 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm very glad ESPN/ABC is losing the rights to Nascar after this year! They have shown us how important Nascar is to them. They said the race would be on ESPNEWS until the football game was over, but there was a basketball game on that! I could be wrong but I don't think Fox would do this. They may move the race to FS1 or even FS2 but they wouldn't not show the first 25 laps of a cup race. I'm sure Nascar is getting better ratings than at least some of the 5 different football games ESPN is covering on their channels. 172. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon goes back to the lead. 173. epzik8 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Earnhardt is surrounded by Stewart-Haas cars. 174. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch has backslid to fourth. 175. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I've seen a commercial during this race that sounds like When The Levee Breaks, and one during the race that sounds like How Many More Times. 176. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Larson is charging his way through the field once again. I anticipate him being a factor at the end once more. 177. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Holy hell, Larson has picked up 10 positions since the restart. Tonight could be the night. 178. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joey Logano has been backsliding since the restart. He's fallen into the clutches of Jimmie Johnson. 179. Bigjrfan88 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^Yep if he was in the chase he would be very high in it. He's had a great chase. 180. Bigjrfan88 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I meant Larson. 181. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) If not for the chase, Larson would be tied for 9th in points 182. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Although seeing how Logano is already guaranteed to be in the next round of the Chase, it doesn't really mean much of anything if he struggles tonight... 183. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick is catching Gordon in traffic. 184. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano makes an early pit stop. 185. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick is closing in on Gordon for the lead. 186. epzik8 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The standings are already getting mixed up. 187. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Do you think Hamlin's stroking? I mean he has not been racing hard at all recently. 188. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Leaders are pitting now. 189. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon now has a HUGE lead over Harvick after pit stops. 190. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) not that huge, but still 3.6 seconds. 191. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Much larger than it was before pit stops. 192. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) True. 193. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick's pit crew once again costs him time. 194. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) According to Harvick, it's his fault he lost ground in the pits...he noticed he was speeding in one of the pit road segments and slowed down a bit to avoid a penalty. 195. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I forgot this race was even on once I got out and started doing stuff. Only reason I remembered is because I turned my iPad on and got the notification from the NASCAR app I am following. Just goes to show my "excitement" towards watching the races nowadays. 196. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution flag is out. 197. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Probably Jacques. 198. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nope. Clint Bowyer blows up. 199. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Junior takes two tires again to get the lead out of the pits. Apparently, the caution is for "Spingate" Bowyer blowing his engine. 200. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Why are Hamlin's pit stops so bad today? I mean he falls several poisitions each stop. 201. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick jumps past Gordon, and McMurray moves to the lead. 202. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So far that move hasn't worked out too well for Dale Jr. 203. someone posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) lol 2 bk cars ahead of 2 RFR cars! 204. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Harvick blasts past McMurray for the lead. Let me guess. This is going to be yet ANOTHER race where Harvick leads a ton of laps only for his pit crew to let him down in the end. 205. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Casey Mears pits with a tire rub. 206. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mears has a tire rub from rubbin' with Ricky. Danica might get jealous. 207. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mr. Danica & Mears getting in to it. 208. Canadianfan posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) If you guys are interested on all the times ESPN/ABC has screwed NASCAR fans check out en.wikipedia.org/NASCAR_on_ESPN check under broadcast interruptions. 209. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 8:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick is already 2 1/2 seconds clear of the rest of the field. 210. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Johnson is now up to 8th and charging... 211. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:03 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) And sure enough, it's time for ESPN to start harping his praises. 212. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "If you guys are interested on all the times ESPN/ABC has screwed NASCAR fans check out en.wikipedia.org/NASCAR_on_ESPN" Great find. The really frustrating part for me is that this isn't even counting the numerous times my local ABC station has screwed me out of race coverage (including the epic Fall 2007 Talladega race where they decided to show a religious conference instead of the race). Overall, it's obvious that ESPN/ABC has been absolutely piss poor since returning to Nascar broadcasting in 2007. Like I said earlier, I absolutely cannot wait until they're gone next year. 213. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This race is BO-RING! 214. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another great run for Martin Truex. They are really coming on strong here at the end of the season. Hopefully they can carry the momentum over to next year. 215. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski is closing in on Gordon for second. Truex is having a great run yet again-once more, he's well up in the top 10. 216. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Or not anymore; there's now a second separating second and third. Jimmie Johnson is about to be in the top 5, guys... 217. epzik8 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) These pit stops and cautions have shaken up the running order. 218. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Menard blows an engine. Caution. 219. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch falls out of the top 10 just as Paul Menard blows up. And that means now that we get to see Johnson run up in the top 5...yay... 220. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jr wont make round 3. His gearshift broke. 221. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Junior is in the pits early with a gear shifter problem. 222. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Since he has pretty much been pedestrian since about June, I really don't mind seeing Jimmie run well right now. Obviously my tune will change if he keeps it up through Phoenix and becomes a legit title contender (which I still don't see happening anyway), but for now, I don't mind. More problems for Jr. 223. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Another broken Hendrick gear shifter this season... Too bad it wasn't Jimmie again.. 224. Bigjrfan88 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Shifter broke off of Jr.'s car. That's happened a lot this year. 225. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dale Jr once again goes through a late season fade. He was somehow able to avoid it last year and he has the excuse of getting the concussion and having to sit out two races in 2012, but he went through it in 2008 and 2011 as well. 226. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 0.0 on the pit stop and BK still didn't make it out first. 227. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This would be Menard's first DNF of the year, am I right? 228. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So Jr basically has to win (and/or have almost everyone else have problems) at Talladega now. I won't rule it out since he also won the Daytona 500, but I think it's going to be a very tall order. 229. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon looks really bad on restarts tonight. 230. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Big shocker: Gordon has a bad restart and surrenders second and third to Kurt Busch and Jamie McMurray. 231. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Gordon looks really bad on restarts except for rare occasions." I fixed that for you. 232. Leo posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Safety car for a kangaroo? Yep, I'm watching the Bathurst 1000. 233. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Harvick is going to lead more than 2000 laps this year. 234. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) With Menard out of the race, that leaves just three drivers who have run the full schedule this year and not recorded a DNF: Gordon, Austin Dillon, and Casey Mears. 235. epzik8 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Earnhardt always seems to have his problems at moments when I'm not following the race. 236. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick's lead is now more than four seconds over Kurt Busch, and he continues to leave the rest of the field in the dust. I'm guessing that Jacques will probably show up soon to erase the deficit... 237. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Make that FIVE and a half seconds now. 238. RaceFanX posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @232 Didn't Skippy get plowed down after he hopped on the track? 239. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Larson is on the move right now. He's up to sixth and has caught Keselowski for fourth. 240. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Green flag pit stop time. 241. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jr's team with a moving screen keeping the 2 car from getting to his box. 242. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Six second lead for Harvick after the pit stops. 243. BluesTravelerFan posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This is a bit late, but it seems like I've seen more gear shifter problems this season than in all the previous seasons I have seen combined. 244. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch has caught Gordon for fifth. 245. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth goes a lap down to Harvick. 246. epzik8 posted: 10.11.2014 - 9:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick being a speed demon once again. 247. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:00 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) So ESPN is already anticipating one of the greatest Talladega races we've ever seen next week. Every time they've hyped up a race this year, it's ended up being fairly dull. I'm guessing (considering that this is an elimination race) that we'll see single-file racing for 85% of that race... 248. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wise blows up. 3rd engine of the race 249. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And the caution comes out for fluid from Josh Wise's car. For what seems like the hundredth time this year, Danica catches a lucky break and gets to stay on the lead lap. 250. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon loses four positions on the restart. And Kyle Busch is right behind Harvick for the lead. 251. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Good to see Jamie McMurray having a good race. Lol, ABC goes to commercial and misses a caution coming out due to Vickers' spin. 252. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution; Brian Vickers crashes on the backstretch. 253. epzik8 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Earnhardt is the lowest Chase driver right now. 254. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The restarts in this race will be what ends up costing Gordon a strong run, it seems... 255. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Vickers crashes. I'm telling you, if Larson can get just a few more spots of track position, I think he's capable of beating Harvick. He has just been on rails tonight. 256. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:16 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Austin Dillon stayed out and will be the new leader/moving chicane. 257. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth gets the free pass. 258. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Busch gets the lead on the restart, but seeing as Harvick quickly got to second, that probably won't last long... 259. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica wrecks, and Newman spins while trying to avoid her. 260. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica and Newman collide. Now Danica is getting revenge on Ricky with the pit lane cone. 261. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica slams the wall and Newman goes for a spin cycle. After a lot of green flag racing tonight, we've had several quick cautions. 262. MAR posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jr is gonna have to depend on winning at Talladega next week and o year how about those RFR cars tonight SMH....... 263. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Someone should tell Gordon that he isn't going to win the title if he continues to restart like a f**king pansy. 264. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) The Neon Pink & Green Eyesore does what it does best. Too bad for Newman. 265. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Logano ran Danica over. I wonder if she'll come back out and try to wreck him back like she tried (and failed) to do to Cassill at Kansas that one time. 266. Anonymous posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Er...Logano spun the #10 car, check the replay. 267. RaceFanX posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joey Lagano gets into Danica Patrick, her special pink #10 gets the outside wall hard, and Ryan Newman spins to miss the melee. Newman didn't hit anything. 268. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lucky for Newman that nobody hit him. He's not the top who could make a comeback if he falls out of the top 8 in points, in my opinion. 269. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Someone should tell Gordon that he isn't going to win the title if he continues to restart like a f**king pansy." Indeed; if Gordon continues to have bad restarts and gets another mid-pack finish like he did at Kansas, I'd say he's potentially in trouble at Talladega... 270. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica wants to take Logano out...and I don't mean on a date. 271. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And yeah, Joey definitely wrecked Danica there. I definitely wouldn't put it past her to attempt revenge... 272. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica is mad that any revenge she takes on Logano won't hurt his championship hopes. 273. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Allmendinger is having another nice run in 10th. It's kind of a shame he didn't make it to this round, because he's actually run pretty good at both Kansas and now here at Charlotte. 274. The Crimson King posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica Patrick: "I'd love to go out and take him out." Voice on radio: "Go ahead." this ought to be good 275. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Allmendinger is having another nice run in 10th. It's kind of a shame he didn't make it to this round, because he's actually run pretty good at both Kansas and now here at Charlotte." If he can keep going the way he has been, it wouldn't surprise me if he ended up with a top 10 points finish at the end of the year. 276. RaceFanX posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) In Australia the Bathurst 1000 has been red flagged because the Mount Panorama course started coming apart in Turn 2. 277. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sure enough, Gordon gives up a few more spots on the restart... Meanwhile, Larson is challenging for second! 278. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, if Larson had made The Chase, we could have a legit chance at the first rookie Sprint Cup champion. 279. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's the Kyle & Kyle show (callback to the 90's Dale & Dale Show and Jeff & Jeff Show references) 280. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica is mad that any revenge she takes on Logano won't hurt his championship hopes. Unless she waits for Martinsville or Phoenix... 281. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) LOL at Jimmie and Chad arguing. 282. epzik8 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson is mad. 283. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Trouble in paradise with Jimmie & Chad. 284. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Also, if Larson had made The Chase, we could have a legit chance at the first rookie Sprint Cup champion." I know it's early for this, but I'm seriously considering picking him for next year. He's getting better and better every week. As long as they have these same fast cars next year and he doesn't have a "sophomore slump", I don't see any reason why he can't be in contention next year. 285. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, I'm really starting to doubt Johnson is going to make it to the next round of the Chase... Kyle Larson takes the lead away with 70 to go! 286. The Crimson King posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Who was it that said Larson had never passed someone for the lead in a sprint cup race? Cause that's finally changed. 287. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson to the lead. Caution for Timmy Hill in the wall. 288. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution for Michael Annett. 289. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution as Michael Annett crashes 290. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) and that's why Gordon will never ever will another title 291. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh my bad, that's Michael Annett. It's really hard to see the number on that paint scheme. 292. The Crimson King posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @284 Gordon won a championship in his 3rd full year, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. 293. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh my bad, that's Michael Annett. It's really hard to see the number on that paint scheme. I thought it was JoLo for a moment. Why did BK stay out?!? 294. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:41 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad Keselowski opts to stay out on this caution. Not sure that's a good idea... And Johnson takes two tires and is now in the top three. 295. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I thought it was JoLo for a moment." I honestly did too. For a second, I thought Danica might have gotten her revenge. 296. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I thought it was Joey for a split second too until I saw that it was a Chevy. So then I just figured it was Timmy Hill since he has a nearly identical blue and yellow paint scheme tonight. No idea why Brad stayed out. He's probably gonna get rolled on this restart. 297. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth whacks the wall trying to go outside Brad on the restart. 298. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth and Keselowski make contact on the restart, Hamlin takes the lead, Kenseth sinks like a stone. 299. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth gets squeezed into the wall on the restart and now has damage to his car. He's dropping like a rock. 300. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hornets nest on the restart. Hopefully Johnson gets rolled to the back of the pack with his two tires. 301. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kenseth had a huge run, and then Brad just decided to run him into the wall. Damage on Brad's car too. 302. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) HAMLIN!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 303. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm going to guess that Kenseth doesn't make it to the next round... The right rear corner of Keselowski's car is damaged and flapping about. 304. epzik8 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kenseth has lost a ton of positions. 305. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm going to guess that Kenseth doesn't make it to the next round..." Neither will Keselowski if he keeps driving that carelessly. 306. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson is using Larson's line and making it hard for the 42 to pass... But Johnson is passed as I type this. 307. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 53 MORE LAPS DENNY! HANG ON!!! 308. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson up to third and battling for second. But Keselowski moves up in front of Johnson, allowing Larson to blow past and move to second. I'm seriously starting to think tonight is Larson's night. 309. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) That's what I like about Keselowski. He isn't afraid to troll Johnson. 310. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh look...two Chasers are racing each other really hard and are possibly mad at each other. What a great time for a commercial break! 311. The Crimson King posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Isn't it a bit odd that Larson gets so many Gordon comparisons, and yet Larson might score his first win on the same track (but not event) that Gordon got his first win at? Creepy. 312. David posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "53 MORE LAPS DENNY! HANG ON!!!" Chill. Larson is a boss. I'm so excited for his future. 313. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad and Jimmie are going at it for 3rd and 4th, and Brad almost pulls a Todd Bodine 2002 through the tri-oval. He's really driving erratically right now. 314. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just 47 to go! COME ON HAMLIN! 315. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Where the hell did Gordon come from? He isn't supposed to be charging in the closing laps of a Fall race! 316. epzik8 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Danica is still hanging onto the lead lap. 317. David posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh, look at the choker closing in on his teammate for fourth. 318. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ...or maybe not; Harvick is about to pass Larson for second. 319. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 44 to go! 320. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Larson just hit the wall I think. Harvick is right on him for 2nd. 321. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Wow, I'm gonna be really disappointed if Larson blows this by hitting the wall. 322. DB1995 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) Anyone but the 42. 323. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick is about to take the lead from Hamlin... 324. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! NOT HARVICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 325. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon now challenges Larson for 3rd. I think Larson killed the right side of his car. Harvick back to the lead with 40 to go. 326. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick battles with Hamlin for the lead, and takes it away. Meanwhile, Gordon has caught Larson for third. 327. jabber1990 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Wow, I'm gonna be really disappointed if Larson blows this by hitting the wall." would you be shocked? I won't be sadly 328. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski pits now. 329. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Woo Harvick! Larson needs to learn not to lean on the wall so damn hard. 330. David posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) We must remember that Larson, despite his monster racing ability, is first and foremost a rookie. 331. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yep, looks like Larson messed up his car when he tapped the wall a few laps ago. Sadly, that means he most likely won't get his first win tonight. But he WILL get it soon...if not before the end of this year, then next year, for sure. Johnson is still hanging tough in fourth; he NEEDS to keep running well to keep his championship hopes alive. Keselowski comes in to pit. 332. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 10:59 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) 1.8 seconds behind Harvick is actually a lot closer than I would have expected Gordon to be if I heard Bestqucik correctly. Also, if Jimmie gets a top 5 in this race.... 333. DB1995 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Remember this weekend last year in the NNS race Larson had the fastest car driving just like tonight, then he smacked the wall 334. jabber1990 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) David Hoots threatened the #10 and told her to go faster 335. Dawson posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:01 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Can't wait for Talladega next weekend 336. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon moves to second with 30 laps left. 337. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "would you be shocked? I won't be" I'm not shocked (mainly because I watched the Eldora Truck race), but I'm disappointed. He easily had a car that was on par with Harvick's before he hit the wall. 338. David posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) For someone like me who hasn't watched a race since May, it's kind of odd when you realize that Harvick hasn't won since Darlington. 339. I have never posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No booth commentary coming out of commercial. Best. Telecast. Ever. 340. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:04 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So now the question is "how will Harvick's pit crew throw away a sure win this time?". 341. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Who was it that said Larson had never passed someone for the lead in a sprint cup race?" It's that Sean fellow who always says that. Also, what the hell is Jeff Gordon doing??? 342. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Typical. -Johnson's car is crap. -He takes only takes two tires over a slew of cars that take four. -Is magically better than all but two cars that took four tires. 343. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, Harvick's crew had a nice stop. Cue a caution with 3 laps left and everyone does opposite of what he does. 344. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Austin Dillon takes only two tires on his last pit stop. So does Ryan Newman. 345. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Even though Hamlin won't win this race, He's on track for a top 5, and that's good. 346. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick has a six second lead over Gordon after pit stops. I won't be shocked if Jacques appears soon...he's stayed away so far tonight, but I doubt it would surprise ANYONE if he decided to make an appearance right at the end of the race. 347. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Oh crap. Harvick has a 6+ second lead? Brian France is throwing empty beer bottles on the track trying to get Jacques attention as I type. 348. DB1995 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Austin Dillon took 2 because the jack got stuck looked like. 349. David posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Right now, Kyle Busch sits three points out of the championship lead. I'll give him credit for not collapsing, but he'll still need to do more to convince me that he can contend for the title. 350. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dale Jr has stayed out a REALLY long time here. It seems he's hoping to catch a caution to put him back on the lead lap. Don't think this is going to work out for him... 351. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't dislike Kevin Harvick, but he's not someone I get particularly excited about either when he wins. Though, I wouldn't mind it if he take home the championship this year since he's never won it. 352. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dale Jr says there's debris on the track, lol 353. David posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) By the way, the bottom four? Kenseth, Keselowski, Johnson, and Earnhardt. 354. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't think that it will change at Talladega. 355. Dawson posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Caution 356. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brian Vickers blows up...and we get our late race caution. Oh boy...this is going to get scary... 357. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Larson hits the wall and ruins his race-win contending car. 20 laps later. Andy Petree: "I think Kyle Larson might wounded his car after hitting the wall" Banner night for BSPN. Goddamn you Vickers! 358. jabber1990 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) this changes everything 359. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, at least it seems to have been a somewhat legit caution. About two laps too late for Jr. 360. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) God,I hope everyone else stayed out now. 361. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'll give him credit for not collapsing, but he'll still need to do more to convince me that he can contend for the title." Agreed. I highly doubt he'll make the Final Four. He'll either tear his stuff up at Martinsville, do old school Kyle Busch Texas Shenanigans stuff at Texas, or have a terrible run at Phoenix (where he's always been hit or miss). Caution with 6 to go. Johnson and Knaus completely screw themselves by pitting. 362. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson is the first to pit. But not many drivers opt to come in... 363. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Johnson comes in. This kills his 3rd round hopes barring a Talladega win. 364. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I don't think that it will change at Talladega." The actual points may not change, but keep in mind that any of those four guys could win and then advance to the Eliminator Round despite where they sit in points. 365. David posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brian Vickers's engine lets go. This was not what Harvick (or possibly Gordon) wanted to see. 366. jabber1990 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) who was that who joked about a "late lap caution where everyone does the opposite of everyone else" ...we need to stop talking before we end up being right ...all we need is the meteor and we'll be right 367. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Seriously, WHY did the 48 pit? This might be one of the most asinine decisions I've ever seen Knaus make. 368. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Looks like only six lead lap cars pitted. 369. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) *Points at 48 team* Ha-Ha! 370. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:18 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Dumb call by Knaus, I think. Kind of like kicking a long field goal with 0:01 seconds left when your kicker has already missed three earlier in the game instead of taking it to overtime. 371. The Crimson King posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Late in a race? Check Gordon been making awful restarts all race long? Check Having awful luck all year long? Check Gordon's gonna jump Harvick on this restart, calling it. 372. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yeah, Jimmie's team really shot itself in the foot right there. He just gave up a sure top-5 finish and now more than likely will finish outside the top 10, which puts him in bad shape coming in to Talladega. 373. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) who was that who joked about a "late lap caution where everyone does the opposite of everyone else" I did, because it was Harvick's luck. 374. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Correction; Johnson is still in the top 10, but he's now running 10th. 375. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gordon, could you please have another one of your patented restarts? BTW it's October, Jeff ;) 376. epzik8 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hate late cautions. 377. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) White flag! 378. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick finally pulls one off. Jimmie finishes about 17th. Idiotic idea for them to pit. They're pretty much done unless they win Talladega. 379. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) What an absolute asinine call by Knaus. It cost Johnson at least 12 points there at the end... 380. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) YES! YES! YES! 381. dennyfan11 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick's car or pit crew doesen't fail for once and he wins. 382. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That win was 4 months in the making. 'Bout time, Harvick. 383. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Harvick's streak of bad luck FINALLY comes to an ed as he finally manages to get back to victory lane and advance to Round 3. Gordon hangs on to second. And I thought he was supposed to really start fading come October...? And Johnson finishes outside the top 10...which puts him in a fairly desperate situation at Talladega. 384. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski wrecked after the checkers with somebody. Hamlin it looks like. 385. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (3) (2) There gon be a fight! 386. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Keselowski has a TON of damage to the front of his car after the race. Seems he and Denny Hamlin are feuding with one another... 387. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:24 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Oh great, post race Keselowski enforcer bullshit. 388. David posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Kyle Larson passed ELEVEN cars in the final two laps to finish sixth. 389. MarkMartinFan posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:24 pm Rate this comment: (7) (0) Anybody else think Keselowski drove like a tool tonight? 390. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dammit Brad 391. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:24 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Brad can't even wreck someone right, haha Note: Way to cam Hamlin down, put a hat on his head. 392. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Tempers are getting heated in the garage area! Keselowski finished 16th, which ALSO puts him in a bad spot going into Talladega. Wow, it's seriously looking like Junior, Johnson, and Keselowski are not going to advance to the next round... 393. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:25 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Seems like Brad was mad about his terrible race, so he just decided to wreck Hamlin after the race, and then run into Stewart and Kenseth on pit road for no reason. What a surprise. 394. The Crimson King posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was a fun race. Now I'm going to switch over to WEC and then catch F1 at about 7 in the morning, and THEN watch some football. I won't be able to sleep until midnight tomorrow. 395. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) meant calm 396. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) What happened to the #48? Denny nearly takes out his own crewman. That was eventual. 397. TS1420 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh jeez. The return of "Sad Brad". 398. epzik8 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) About time Harvick won another Cup race. 399. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (7) (0) Its Kenseth, its Kenseth!!! Good God, King! 400. MarkMartinFan posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh shit! Was that Kenseth or a crew guy?! 401. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And now Matt Kenseth goes ballistic... 402. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:26 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) f**king insane fight with Kenseth and Keselowski now. This is what Keselowski starts. 403. I have never posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Smackdown at the haulers.. 404. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) And now we have a fight. Frankly I'm done being a Brad K fan, he's turned into the very devas he raced against in Nationwide. Bullocks to him. 405. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (8) (0) Glad to see the 20 team didn't put up with that garbage from that punk in the #2. Kenseth should have punched him in the face. 406. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:27 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) After seeing all THAT lunacy, I honestly won't be sad if Brad fails to make the next round of the Chase. 407. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:28 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Good for Matt. I'm beyond tired of Keselowski's schtick. 408. I have never posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:28 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Saturday Night Raw...I love it. 409. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:29 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I thought there was no way to one up the TCU/Baylor finish but these post race activities sure gave them a run for their money. 410. Bigjrfan88 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I Don't what Brad did but Matt went crazy! You don't see that from him very often. 411. epzik8 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Classic Saturday night tempers. 412. DB1995 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Rather piss poor race from a racing standpoint, if not for the chase drama it would probably been nap material. 413. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Talladega and Martinsville immediately got more interesting. 414. The Crimson King posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:33 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) And in those 10 seconds Matt Kenseth showed more emotion than he's ever shown in his Nascar career. 415. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I hope Matt was able to beat the hell out of Brad Butthead Keselowski 416. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) So that's how Brad's hood got caved in. Too soon Tony 417. RaceFanX posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Did the #2 break after the flag? That slide into the #11 after the checkered looked weird. 418. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So Keselowski got on the wrong side of Kenseth, Hamlin, AND Tony Stewart. GREAT job, Brad! 419. MarkMartinFan posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:34 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Atta boy to Stewart as well. Go bust his ass. 420. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (8) Matt vs Brad vs Denny. Chess Club Fight! Man, even the fights are boring now. And that won't help Tony's civil trial. 421. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow, Logano ended up 4th after all that? 422. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:35 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I appreciate Brad Keselowski, frankly. 423. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "After seeing all THAT lunacy, I honestly won't be sad if Brad fails to make the next round of the Chase." Same here, good for Kenseth and Hamlin not putting up with that shit. And all of it was over what basically hard racing. Just like Martinsville and Richmond Kes made a big stink out of nothing and created more enemies for himself. I'm Officially jumping off the Brad wagon. He can eat shit for all I care. 424. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And that won't help Tony's civil trial." Where'd you get your JD again, DSFF? 425. The Long Shot posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:37 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Good lord. Keselowski must have been acting like a bitch if Matt freaking Kenseth went after him in the garage area. Seriously, the guy's talented as hell, but he may be the least mature driver in the sport not named "Busch". "Kyle Larson passed ELEVEN cars in the final two laps to finish sixth." Holy bleep. For the millionth time, once he figures out how to keep his car off the wall, he's going to be insane. He's arguably a top 5 driver in the sport already. 426. MarkMartinFan posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @422, I think Brad is great for the sport. I actually wish we had a couple more guys like him. But he does crap like this from time to time that is just ridiculous. 427. The Long Shot posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "And that won't help Tony's civil trial." Actually, it has no relevance to the trial whatsoever. Nice try, though. 428. The Crimson King posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:38 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Making so many enemies just a week before Talladega sounds like the most wonderful idea Brad has ever come up with. 429. Bigjrfan88 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I didn't see anyone do anything wrong until after the checkered flag. Then Brad, Denny, Matt and Tony all went insane! 430. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (5) And I will never forgive Matt Kenseth. He had the chance get one hell of hit on Brad between haulers. And he just kinda knocked him over. He could have lived out the dreams of so many NASCAR followers. And he didn't do it. Damn you Kenseth. Damn you to hell. 431. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:40 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "I'm Officially jumping off the Brad wagon. He can eat shit for all I care." I was off it when he pulled this same shit at Richmond in the Spring (ironically, also with Kenseth and Stewart). He's the most delusional bastard out there. He truly believes he is the enforcer of the garage area. Not only that, but he's also become probably the biggest hypocrite as well. How many times do we hear him do these "I race hard every lap" interviews, only to complain about others racing him hard ALL THE TIME? I'm so sick of him. I can't believe that I considered myself a fan of his just two years ago. I hope he gets eliminated next week, and I hope Logano totally embarrasses him next year. 432. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:41 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I really did want to like Keselowski (it was great to see him actually stand up against and beat Johnson head to head for the title), but he has DEFINITELY evolved into yet another whiny douchebag who apparently can't handle it when people race him hard. Any chances of me becoming a fan of his are out the window now. And speaking of Brad...we get to hear his interview. Oh, goody... 433. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oddly enough, Zachary, I lost my taste for JD years ago. I used to mix it with soda to catch a buzz. Now I don't even like the smell of it. Now I get my buzz from Blue Moon. 434. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And speaking of Brad...we get to hear his interview. Oh, goody..." I tuned it out with the help of some good music. 435. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And now I think I seriously need to make some adjustments to my predictions for who will make the final four...considering it doesn't look like Brad or Junior will make it to the next round! I'm guessing that Kenseth, Brad, Junior, and Johnson will be eliminated after Talladega (at the very least, they're the most LIKELY to be eliminated)... 436. The Long Shot posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think I predicted some weeks/months ago that Brad would be out of Penske after either 2015 or 2016 due to his attitude, a la Kurt Busch 2011. If this keeps up, that prediction has a damn good chance of coming true sooner than most would think. 437. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Kyle Larson passed ELEVEN cars in the final two laps to finish sixth." f**k me. Wow Brad, could you be anymore of an ass? oh no wait you 1 up yourself everytime. Good job buddy. And that "payback?" Oh wow, that was really good Brad. *sarcasm* 438. Bigjrfan88 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually, I think it was good to see Smoke back to normal. He was in run-ins ever now and then before the accident. It would have been weird for him not to do what he did. 439. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:45 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I'm curious about this transmission Brad Keselowski allegedly sent flying through the garage (or pit road, maybe?) while doing burnouts. I'm also still not sure why Denny Hamlin was mad to begin with be honest... 440. Dawson posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wow brads interview 441. The Crimson King posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Guys, I just thought of something >Kenseth and Brad get penalized a shit ton of points >Jimmie and Jr advance to the next round because of it 442. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Making so many enemies just a week before Talladega sounds like the most wonderful idea Brad has ever come up with." Don't forget Martinsville, another good place for paybacks. 443. The Long Shot posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And now I think I seriously need to make some adjustments to my predictions for who will make the final four...considering it doesn't look like Brad or Junior will make it to the next round! I'm guessing that Kenseth, Brad, Junior, and Johnson will be eliminated after Talladega (at the very least, they're the most LIKELY to be eliminated)..." Logano, Gordon (DSFF, I'm afraid I have some bad news...), Harvick, and Busch are my picks. Who wins the title is anyone's guess. 444. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (6) Matt Kenseth can eat shit. He had the chance to KNOCK BRAD THE F**K OUT and didn't do it. He had a free shot just kinda shoved him. You blew it Matt. You blew it and I will never forgive you. 445. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:48 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Chad Knaus is quietly thankful that this happened, otherwise his terrible, championship-ending (most likely) pit road call at the end of the race would probably dominate most of the post-race coverage. 446. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:48 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Kind of ironic in that one of Brad's biggest fans used to be DSFF himself. 447. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm also still not sure why Denny Hamlin was mad to begin with be honest..." Brad ran into the back of him off turn two, which ultimately cost Denny about five finishing positions. 448. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:49 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I agree with New14&88, Brad made himself look like the better man in 2008 and 2009 when Hamlin and others complained about him over simple racing, but Brad now does the same type of diva complaining those guys do because the 2012 championship has gone to his head. I was still holding out hope that he would get his head back on right, but for him to be ramming guys after the checkers is the very definition of immature. And then to hit Matt while he was stopped on pit road is even worse. He needed to just talk to Matt and Denny once they were out of their cars instead of making that much more work for the pit crews. 449. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ">Kenseth and Brad get penalized a shit ton of points >Jimmie and Jr advance to the next round because of it" Won't happen. 450. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) My new predictions for the final four... Logano Harvick Gordon (Sorry, DSFF, but Gordon has yet to really slump so far) And, a rather bold prediction... Ryan Newman (Seriously, I can see him making it to the final four on consistency. Kyle Busch MIGHT make it, but for all we know he could easily have yet another late season meltdown...) 451. KyleLarsonHater posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (8) HaHa, i hope Brad wins next week just so i can rub it in all you f**kers faces lol Kyle Larsucks choked the race away when he had the best car HaHa!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!, this board is pathetic its all, "we need more action" or "this race is boring", until something happens that is exciting and everyone starts pissing and moaning that it happened. Quit bitching and enjoy our great sport. 452. The Long Shot posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:53 pm Rate this comment: (5) (0) "Matt Kenseth can eat shit. He had the chance to KNOCK BRAD THE F**K OUT and didn't do it. He had a free shot just kinda shoved him. You blew it Matt. You blew it and I will never forgive you." For someone who got pushed around by a helmeted Jeff Gordon at Martinsville a number of years ago, I'd say a shove is to Matt is what a knockout punch was to Ali. Just be happy that he did anything at all. It's quite interesting to read how people's opinions have completely 180'd on Brad since 2012, when everybody on here loved him and were rooting their asses for him to win the championship. DSFF's in particular have changed noticeably. 453. The Crimson King posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @449 I was more making a point about how it'd be hilarious if their inevitable penalty (and lets be serious, they WILL be penalized for this) would cost them a shot at the next round. 454. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "He's the most delusional bastard out there. He truly believes he is the enforcer of the garage area. Not only that, but he's also become probably the biggest hypocrite as well. How many times do we hear him do these "I race hard every lap" interviews, only to complain about others racing him hard ALL THE TIME?" Indeed, winning the championship in 2012 has gone to his head in the worst possible way. He's basically become Kyle Busch AND Tony Stewart(when he puts on his sheriff's hat) in one body, with no one other than Rodger Penske himself to straighten him out. 455. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #451 I'm all for exciting racing and all, but seriously, I have a BIG problem when drivers like Keselowski start acting like manchildren over someone racing them hard and cause crap like this. Kyle "Larsucks"...? REALLY mature right there. 456. Bigjrfan88 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nicole Briscole just said that next week at dega you have to watch from lap 1 to the last lap. Kind of ironic when we couldn't do that this race! 457. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "(and lets be serious, they WILL be penalized for this)" I respectfully disagree, buy we will see. 458. murb posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:55 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I think I predicted some weeks/months ago that Brad would be out of Penske after either 2015 or 2016 due to his attitude, a la Kurt Busch 2011." With Logano now proving to be championship caliber, I wouldn't rule it out. They won't even need Brad if Logano keeps rising (which I certainly think he will). Plus, they already have the perfect successor for the #2 car in Ryan Blaney. I honestly hope he does get the boot from Penske and ends up in a lower tier car like Kurt did. Maybe some time with Front Row Motorsports or one of those teams would humble Brad back up. 459. The Crimson King posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So who drives the #2 once Kes gets kicked out the ride in 2016? 460. Schroeder51 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:57 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So who drives the #2 once Kes gets kicked out the ride in 2016?" Ryan Blaney, obviously. 461. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:59 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I honestly hope he does get the boot from Penske and ends up in a lower tier car like Kurt did. Maybe some time with Front Row Motorsports or one of those teams would humble Brad back up." Brad can drive for his brother. 462. Bigjrfan88 posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:59 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) ^^^Come on, Brad is not near as Bad as Kurt or Kyle were/are. I don't think there will be a points penalty but maybe a fine/probation. 463. Anonymous posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:01 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well, this was certainly an interesting race to be ABC's last. Joey Logano is going to win the championship. He has a pattern going. Chicago: 4th. New Hampshire: 1st. Dover: 4th. Kansas: 1st. Charlotte: 4th. If he can keep this pattern going. Talladega: 1st. Martinsville: 4th. Texas: 1st. Phoenix: 4th. Homestead: 1st. Joey Logano will win the championship. 464. Mr X posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) " 452. The Long Shot posted: 10.11.2014 - 11:53 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Matt Kenseth can eat shit. He had the chance to KNOCK BRAD THE F**K OUT and didn't do it. He had a free shot just kinda shoved him. You blew it Matt. You blew it and I will never forgive you." For someone who got pushed around by a helmeted Jeff Gordon at Martinsville a number of years ago, I'd say a shove is to Matt is what a knockout punch was to Ali. Just be happy that he did anything at all. It's quite interesting to read how people's opinions have completely 180'd on Brad since 2012, when everybody on here loved him and were rooting their asses for him to win the championship. DSFF's in particular have changed noticeably." What's just as interesting is the way that Brad himself has changed. Also something worthy of note, Chad Knaus made the call to pit Jimmie Johnson from a top 5 position and Jimmie wound up 17th. Given their struggle's of late could we see a split in the offseason. I can dream can I not? 465. DB1995 posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (5) Also, kind of a dick move for Kenseth (anyone really) to attack someone from behind, that just isnt acceptable, Around here its known as one of the biggest pussy moves out there. 466. Eric posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I wouldn't be shocked if Brad could even be suspended for what he pulled although he is going to be fined for sure. I am saying because he did hit driver after the race when they were unbuckling their seat belts. Hitting a driver while unbuckling or already unbuckled is a safety issue. I don't think Roger is going to put up with Brad and his antics a lot longer and Brad is on a short lease with Roger after tonight. 467. murb posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) With both Brad, Jimmie, and Jr now all virtually out of it (anything can happen at Talladega, but I really don't see those three particularly winning there), I think my Final Four is now the same as Schroeder's. Logano, Harvick, Gordon, and Newman as the ultimate underdog. I still just don't trust Kyle Busch when so much is on the line. 468. murb posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:03 am Rate this comment: (7) (0) "Also, kind of a dick move for Kenseth (anyone really) to attack someone from behind" Kind of a dick move for Brad to ram Kenseth on pit road after the race at 70 MPH while Kenseth was unbuckled from his car. 469. The Long Shot posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "^^^Come on, Brad is not near as Bad as Kurt or Kyle were/are." He's not as much of an in-house problem as the Busch's were, but he's just as big of a whiner and complainer as them (or at least, what Kurt used to be; the change that has come over him has been remarkable to say the least). And remember: Brad wrecked multiple cars on purpose tonight. Both Kyle and Kurt have purposefully wrecked other cars before (see Jimmy Spencer @ Pocono, 2003(?) for Kurt; Ron Hornaday @ Texas, 2011 for Kyle), but I don't think either one can lay claim to doing it multiple times. 470. Cooper posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:05 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) That was um, interesting. I can understand Brad being upset. The #2 team has been one of the best teams all year and because of a blown tire, your season is on the ropes? This isn't football or stick and ball sports. This season dates back to last Winter and none of the races 4 weeks ago even mean anything. While he is a complete asshole he has a right to be frustrated. 471. murb posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:09 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Jimmy Spencer @ Pocono, 2003(?)" That was at Michigan, but Kurt never wrecked him. They were rubbing on each other during the race, and Spencer was mad so he punched Kurt in the face afterwards. The only time Kurt ever did anything to Jimmy was at Bristol 2002 where he moved him out of the way for the win. But other than that, that feud was mostly Spencer being a dick (most notably at Indy 2002, where he straight up dumped Kurt at about 160 MPH - THAT was a dick move). 472. racefangurl posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:10 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Joey's a championship contender, many call him a title favorite. If he wins in the next round, I'm gonna be happy. If he wins the championship, I'm gonna be really happy. My theme song, if this happens, could be that song "Happy" from that movie. 473. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:12 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "also, kind of a dick move for Kenseth (anyone really) to attack someone from behind, that just isnt acceptable, Around here its known as one of the biggest pussy moves out there." Given the fact that said someone rammed into him on pit road after the race while he was unbuckling his safety belts for no reason whatsoever, Kenseth was justified in being angry and wanting to pound that person's face in. 474. OldSchoolNascarDude1 posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:12 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) That has to be a record for the longest that Kenseth has made it through post race with his uniform on. Also, listen to Brad's voice during the confrontation. He sounds like a little boy crying, "Uncle." 475. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:14 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) racefangurl has the most matter-of-fact comments on these pages of anyone I have ever seen. 476. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:15 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The funny thing is that if Allmendinger had managed to make it through the first round of the Chase, he'd actually have a really good shot to advance to Round 3, as he's had two solid back-to-back finishes just outside the top 10. 477. The Long Shot posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That was at Michigan, but Kurt never wrecked him. They were rubbing on each other during the race, and Spencer was mad so he punched Kurt in the face afterwards. The only time Kurt ever did anything to Jimmy was at Bristol 2002 where he moved him out of the way for the win. But other than that, that feud was mostly Spencer being a dick (most notably at Indy 2002, where he straight up dumped Kurt at about 160 MPH - THAT was a dick move)." Okay, my mistake. I have my facts all wrong here. But Kurt has purposefully wrecked people in the past (I think he did it to Marlin in his second year or something like that; I could be wrong, though). "My theme song, if this happens, could be that song "Happy" from that movie." Please, no. That song is horrifically overplayed. 478. Cooper posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:18 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) Some of you guys puzzle me. Do none of you understand why Brad is upset? You expect these guys to be total robots who are not human. Brad races cars. Brad is not going to achieve his goal while racing cars. Brad is upset because of failing. This is normal. Would you rather have Brad say "My car was good all night. We just didn't catch the breaks. Congrats to Kevin, I'm not as good as everyone else in the garage but that is okay." Like seriously? 479. DB1995 posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (4) "Given the fact that said someone rammed into him on pit road after the race while he was unbuckling his safety belts for no reason whatsoever, Kenseth was justified in being angry and wanting to pound that person's face in." I understand that, but all he had to do was say "hey Brad" while walking up to him, instead he chose the pussy way to do it. I still like Kenseth but this was a pussy move. 480. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "racefangurl has the most matter-of-fact comments on these pages of anyone I have ever seen." LOL, I probably rank high on that list as well. Even though I also have Asperger's, I too find her comments to often be rather...lifeless looking, if you will (as well as often inane; I still can't believe she wants to boycott the Nationwide/Xfinity Series next year if Chase Elliott wins the title). 481. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:19 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) Br-Br-Br-Br-Brad Br-Br-Br-Br-Brad Brad 2 The Bone! Brad 2 The Bone! Sorry DSFF I'm just reminding you of how much you used to be a huge fan of Brad fallen idol Keselowski 482. murb posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:21 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) lol, Apparently Gordon was enthusiastically applauding Kenseth in the media center when they showed him the fight. "But Kurt has purposefully wrecked people in the past" The only time I can think of is when he intentionally spun Robby Gordon in the All Star Race one year because he needed a caution flag to help catch up to the leader. But yes, Kurt has by no means had the cleanest driving record in Cup. 483. BMan0213 posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:23 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Drivers running into drivers after the race as been going on forever. I understand why Matt was mad at Brad, but he shouldn't have been undoing his belts until his car was stopped. They were maybe just entering the pits when Brad got to him. 484. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:25 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "But Kurt has purposefully wrecked people in the past" He dumped his teammate at the All-Star race in 2004. Didn't make many friends that night. 485. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:30 am Rate this comment: (7) (0) "Do none of you understand why Brad is upset? You expect these guys to be total robots who are not human. Brad races cars. Brad is not going to achieve his goal while racing cars. Brad is upset because of failing. This is normal." There's absolutely nothing wrong with being disappointed your day didn't go the way it was supposed to, or someone got into you and ruined your good run. But that isn't an excuse to pull the crap Brad did tonight, crap had the normally mild-mannered Matt Kenseth mad enough to pound his face into the pavement. 486. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:33 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) And guys, let's not forget all the drivers that Brad made mad in the last race at Talladega. In that race, Brad was about seven laps down and ran into the back of Trevor Bayne and caused a huge wreck that involved many of the Chasers this year, so that's something else that can't be forgotten about next week. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Just how long is Roger Penske, a car owner that sets the highest standards for his drivers, both in terms of performance and integrity, going to put up with this. He's put more black marks on Penske's organization in the five years he's driven for Penske than all the other NASCAR drivers Roger's had put together, and that includes those he had in his first stint as a NASCAR car owner from 1972-'80. In finishing fourth, Joey Logano again showed the coolness needed to become a champion, even though he had a dust-up with Danica. Logano filtered through that entire race with an ill-handling car and somehow managed to pull off a top five finish, while showing the maturity of someone ten years older, while Brad continues to show what a jerk he's always been, and why I believe Penske's going to have a shorter and shorter leash with Brad. I have a feeling that Penske's not going to need to start a third team for Ryan Blaney, because Brad's going to get himself fired and Blaney's going to be his replacement in the #2 car. I've brought up the subject of flagship cars on this board as it relates to a number of teams, but one I haven't brought up until now is Roger Penske's #2 car, a car number he has run as far back as the 1973 Daytona 500, when Dave Marcis drove Penske's Matador, which had the #2 for that race. Well, by acting the way he continues to act, Brad is ruining the proud tradition of Penske's #2 car most associated with Rusty Wallace, but a car that has also been driven by Marcis, both in 1973 and again in 1977. Bobby Allison also drove the #2 car for Penske in 1976. And let's not forget that Kurt Busch got booted from that car after the 2010 season because of his antics and got moved to the #22 car, and then was released outright by Penske a year later for his antics, so Brad has got to be on thin ice with Penske. If it were another organization, like Childress, Gibbs, who's past (Tony Stewart) and present (Denny Hamlin and Matt Kenseth) he had a run-in with after the race, or Roush, he would likely be safe, but not with Penske, because Penske is a guy that does not usually tolerate behavior such as this, and I wonder just how much more of this Penske will tolerate before Brad's given the ax, because Penske has always stood for the highest standards for his drivers, both on and off the track. It was that way when Mark Donohue first drove for him at Indy back in 1969, and it's just as true today, so I imagine that much more of this and Brad will be looking for another ride. And if he had acted this way driving for Rick Hendrick, and he did at one time, he'd be out the door there, as well, because Hendrick holds his drivers to the same high standard that Penske always has. Jim Lampley mentioned late in the 1986 Indianapolis 500 about the fact that Roger Penske had fired a lot of drivers in his tumultuous career at that time, little knowing that it would last another 30 years after that. Well, I don't think there's any question that Brad's on thin ice at Penske, because he continues to act like a child, while Joey Logano seems to be performing and acting the way drivers associated with driving for Penske usually do. And isn't ironic that Logano had an incident with the same two drivers at Fontana last year (Hamlin and Stewart), and as far as I know, has not been involved in one altercation since then, and this is at least the third one Brad's been involved with that I know of this year. And by the way, since the early part of the 2013 season, Joey Logano has performed at a higher level, and done so more consistently than Brad Keselowski has, and if Penske did fire Keselowski, he still has Logano, who seems to be racing and acting like the champion his teammate was two years ago. Nobody knew it at the time, but Jimmie Johnson who lost the championship to Keselowski in 2012, must have been on to something, because he criticized Keselowski's attitude about winning the championship from the moment he celebrated it with all that Miller beer at Homestead. Everyone criticized Johnson at the time, saying it was sour grapes, but as the last two years have progressed, it seemed that Johnson knew something about Keselowski that nobody else at the time knew, and that's just how poor a champion he would end up being, in terms of how he's conducted himself. There's more to being a champion than just performing, because as a champion, you represent the entire sport, and Brad may very well be the worst champion NASCAR has ever had from that standpoint, something Jimmie Johnson apparently spotted before anyone else did. And on another note, it looks like, barring a miracle, the door may have been kicked in for Jeff Gordon's quest for a fifth championship, because if Brad, Jimmie, and Dale, Jr. all miss the cut and Gordon makes it, one of HMS' three top rivals and Gordon's key rivals at HMS will be on the sidelines, and with both the #48 and #88 teams possibly being a position to assist Gordon's championship quest, and with Martinsville being the first race of round three (and remember that Harvick's and Logano's records there aren't stellar, while Gordon's won there eight times, more than at any other track), that may give Gordon a big advantage and make him the favorite to claim tile #5. And what we saw tonight may end up being what we see at Homestead with the title on the line, if Harvick, Gordon, and Logano are three of those battling for the title there. 487. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Looks like Mississippi State is done bitch-slapping Auburn." I'm not saying we would have won, but an absolutely BOGUS offensive pass interference call cost us a 60+ yard reception. And all those damn turnovers...Good Lord. 488. The Long Shot posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:34 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Do none of you understand why Brad is upset? You expect these guys to be total robots who are not human. Brad races cars. Brad is not going to achieve his goal while racing cars. Brad is upset because of failing. This is normal." Brad is upset because of failing. Brad forgets he is in NASCAR and not demolition derby. Brad plows into other drivers because he is upset. This makes other drivers upset. Other drivers kick Brad's hood, beat him up in garage area because they are upset. Fans at home get their money's worth. This is not normal. 489. someone posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) best career finish for allgaier! 490. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Mr X (#464), that incident where Jeff Gordon pushed Matt Kenseth in 2006 was at Bristol, not Martinsville. 491. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:37 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here's an account from SB Nation reporter Matt Weaver that no one has talked about... "Several crew types and media had to dart out of the way as Brad and Denny (in cars) chased each other through garage, ramming each other." Maybe there will be penalties since this seems like a bigger and less safe deal than was originally thought. 492. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Mr X (#464), that incident where Jeff Gordon pushed Matt Kenseth in 2006 was at Bristol, not Martinsville." Jeff Gordon did have an encounter with former (and future) teammate Carl Edwards at Martinsville, though. Maybe Mr X was combining the two. 493. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Jeff Gordon did have an encounter with former (and future) teammate Carl Edwards at Martinsville, though. Maybe Mr X was combining the two." Pretty sure you meant Matt Kenseth. 494. Mr X posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was quoting comment #452, that wasn't me. 495. Watto posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:41 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Well, the post-race mess was a complete circus. It's good for the sport if you want your sport to be looked at as the WWF compared to other sports. It's fun if you're a wrestling fan, it's disappointing if you're a racing fan. It's to be expected when they make it practically impossible to come back from minor setbacks. Pressure overloads, drivers look like clowns. 496. The Long Shot posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:42 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Mr X (#464), that incident where Jeff Gordon pushed Matt Kenseth in 2006 was at Bristol, not Martinsville." That was actually my err, not his, cjs. He quoted my post in his response. "Here's an account from SB Nation reporter Matt Weaver that no one has talked about... "Several crew types and media had to dart out of the way as Brad and Denny (in cars) chased each other through garage, ramming each other." Maybe there will be penalties since this seems like a bigger and less safe deal than was originally thought." Wow. If true, both drivers should be suspended for a good long while. Damned stupid and dangerous as hell to do. You'd think people would have more regard for human life after Suzuka. 497. Cooper posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:43 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Marty Smith: Brad Keselowski told me "They hit me and I hit em back. That's not the lesson you want to teach your kids, but this isn't the schoolyard." f**k yeah. 498. murb posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:46 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) "They hit me and I hit em back. That's not the lesson you want to teach your kids, but this isn't the schoolyard." He forgot the part where he ran Kenseth into the wall in turn one and then ran Denny over off turn two. All of this stemmed from Brad driving like a total prick out on the race track. That's pretty much the narrative here. If anyone should be heavily fined and/or suspended, it should be Brad. 499. Cooper posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Lost in all this is Jamie McMurray finally gets a result he deserves. Dude has been a Top 10 driver all year and is really showing his strength. Honestly, he has been on par with teammate Kyle Larson and Jamie's driving style should garner him better results than Kyle. 500. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:47 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) From The Orange Cone... "JMO here, but those tire tracks in the garage area are gonna end up being a big deal." 501. Jarrett88fan posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:49 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) Excellent point Watto, the pressure of this gimmicky Chase system got to Brad, Denny and Matt. 502. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:49 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) And murb, we know that there isn't really any love lost between Jeff Gordon and Matt Kenseth, so for Gordon, a champion of the highest order and a bonified legend, to enthusiastically take the side of a driver he's had more than a few run-ins with himself says volumes. Let's also not forget that Jeff had more than a few strong words for Brad after Talladega when Brad started that huge wreck when he ran into the back of Trevor Bayne's car when he was seven laps down, so he hasn't forgotten about some of what Brad's done, either. But for a champion of the highest order, who has represented his sport the way all champions should, to show such a display in a press conference, says all that needs to be said about how the other drivers not involved in this situation in any way feel about it. 503. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:50 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Everybody on Twitter is talking about these tire tracks that are in the Charlotte garage area. 504. BMan0213 posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have this feeling the 2 11 and 20 are gonna prevent each other from making it to the final 4. Don't expect anything to happen next week, but hey Martinsville's the week after :) 505. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Or Brad running into the back of the #14 car on pit road, murb, though I believe that was totally unintentional. One man's opinion on this situation that will be very interesting is that of the fourth driver involved, Tony Stewart, because we never heard from him (or anyone on his team, as of this writing), yet it was Stewart backing into Brad that caused all the front end damage. Even the others involved mentioned that Brad got into the #14 on pit road, and Denny saw what Tony did after that, but while we heard the side of Brad and the current JGR drivers involved in this (Hamlin and Kenseth), we never heard from the ex-JGR driver that was in this mess, Tony Stewart, the fourth driver involved. 506. Watto posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:02 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And murb, we know that there isn't really any love lost between Jeff Gordon and Matt Kenseth, so for Gordon, a champion of the highest order and a bonified legend, to enthusiastically take the side of a driver he's had more than a few run-ins with himself says volumes." They're not exactly enemies and they haven't been for a long time. They've been friendly for a long, long time. Clearly, they're on-track rivals, though. 507. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:13 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) And might the #14 and #24 also cars play a role in trying to keep Brad Keselowski from making the next round, BMan0213. After all, not only were Denny Hamlin and Matt Kenseth in involved in that fracas on pit road, but so was Tony Stewart in the #14 car, and Tony's not a guy that lets things go very easily. And Jeff apparently made comments in the press conference about openly having built-up animosity toward Brad, which is surprising. and in fact, he even had to hold back on what he wanted to say, which tells me that he REALLY wanted to open up on Brad, and decided this isn't the right time or place to do so. Of course, Gordon might try to help his teammates make the cut, which really figures to be interesting, because two of them must win the race to get in, while Kasey Kahne could still make it on points, as close as he is to the bubble. But openly admitting his own animosity toward Brad Keselowski and the fact that it's been building is a shock, and Jeff Gordon's not a driver you want on your enemies list. Ask Clint Bowyer how that ends up, because he'd tell you that it doesn't end very well. And Gordon openly admitted tonight that Brad Keselowski's on his enemies list, so there may be fireworks between the 2 and 24 cars before the year's over. 508. Watto posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:20 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Gordon has a clean cut image and all, but he's still the guy who loses his temper from time to time and ends people's races without regret, and he's also still the guy who pulled off one of the most blatant intentional wrecks in the sports history, so he probably has issues with Brad because Brad's a little bit like him. Jeff Gordon would've hated racing against himself in the 90s. 509. Destroyahirismix666 posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:26 am Rate this comment: (2) (2) That punk had it coming. I know I said I was going to stay away from NASCAR until Daytona, but seeing articles about THREE people pissed off at Kes says volumes. Any people wondered why I never could stand Kes. Things like THIS, and his blatant immaturity, are the reasons why. 510. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:37 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Four if you count Jeff Gordon, D-666, because he apparently was none too pleased with Keselowski either, judging by what he said in the post-race press conference. And we still don't know how the others who were in the press conference stand in regards to this. Kevin Harvick was likely to have some choice comments, if for no other reason than the fact that his boss was one of those involved, and third-place finisher Jamie McMurray was once a teammate with Matt Kenseth and I believe they're still friends, so he would likely be on the side of Kenseth, as well. But then again, Brad's been acting like this ever since he became the champion in 2012, which was why I say that Jimmie Johnson must have known something about the way Brad would conduct himself before anyone else knew, and boy was he ever right, because I think Brad might be the worst champion in the sport's history. 511. Watto posted: 10.12.2014 - 2:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad was acting like this before he became a champ, honestly. Carl Edwards, Juan Montoya, Denny Hamlin... he had run-ins. Some were even in practice. 512. d posted: 10.12.2014 - 2:03 am Rate this comment: (3) (2) somebody tell Kenseth to keep his seatbelts on while they are driving around the track. That's his own stupidity, what's the rush to be able to get out of the car so fast? 513. Watto posted: 10.12.2014 - 2:03 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs, I've seen Dale Earnhardt commit more egregious intentional wrecks than Keselowski ever has, so to say "worst champion ever", well... that's a big statement. I'm not saying Earnhardt's the worst champion ever either, I'm just saying that Brad's not exactly in rarefied air. 514. BradRocks posted: 10.12.2014 - 2:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (2) The reason we don't hear from Stewart and company is nobody cares what the backmarkers have to say. 515. JoeFan#66#87#8 posted: 10.12.2014 - 2:36 am Rate this comment: (1) (3) Love how so many people think what Matt and Denny did were right, and nly Brad was in the wrong. Dumbest people ever. Brad is a dumbass. Matt is a dumbass. Denny is a dumbass. Plain and simple. While all 3 had every right to be upset, not a one of their action was excusable. Matt complaining that he could have got hurt when Brad hit him, well he could've hurt Brad when he tired to tackle him between the haulers. 516. Daniel posted: 10.12.2014 - 2:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go Gordon! 517. Daniel posted: 10.12.2014 - 2:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Go Gordon! 518. WinstonCupStandings posted: 10.12.2014 - 3:15 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) Top 19 (that are on the big teams) 1) Jeff Gordon (4444) -Leader 2) Joey Logano (4278) -166 3) Brad Keselowski (4141) -303 4) Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (4133) -311 5) Kevin Harvick (4110) -334 6) Matt Kenseth (3971) -473 7) Jimmie Johnson (3946) -498 8) Kyle Larson (3903) -541 9) Ryan Newman (3878) -566 10) Carl Edwards (3864) -580 11) Kyle Busch (3724) -720 12) Greg Biffle (3658) -786 -Out 13) Jamie McMurray (3645) -799 -Out 14) Kasey Kahne (3637) -807 -Out 15) Denny Hamlin (3623) -821 -Out 16) Clint Bowyer (3576) -868 -Out 17) Austin Dillon (3523) -921 -Out 18) Paul Menard (3475) -969 -Out 19) Brian Vickers (3434) -1010 -Out 519. Hinch77 posted: 10.12.2014 - 4:43 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) "Gordon has a clean cut image and all, but he's still the guy who loses his temper from time to time and ends people's races without regret, and he's also still the guy who pulled off one of the most blatant intentional wrecks in the sports history, so he probably has issues with Brad because Brad's a little bit like him. Jeff Gordon would've hated racing against himself in the 90s. " Gordon intentionally wrecking someone in 2012, once in 22+ years of racing stock cars, has an entirely legacy and lifetime trend based on this alone? 520. Hinch77 posted: 10.12.2014 - 5:21 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Apparently it was just Brad driving like a nutcase in the garage area, not Brad and Denny. Didn't Brad pay attention to the Stewart-Ward saga of how cars are dangerous? 521. Watto posted: 10.12.2014 - 5:41 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Gordon intentionally wrecking someone in 2012, once in 22+ years of racing stock cars, has an entirely legacy and lifetime trend based on this alone?" Um, what? Since when is there only one example of him intentionally getting into someone? Is that a joke? I was just saying that the Bowyer deal was one of the most blatant in the sport's history. Jeff Gordon is not a driver afraid to use his bumper, and if anything, he's calmed down in recent years. Brad's not a problem every week, neither is Gordon. I mean, any time someone causes 3 wrecks in the same Sonoma race, they're not a saint. His entire legacy is not "dirty driving", I'm just saying that it's not like Gordon's a saint and Brad isn't. 522. Watto posted: 10.12.2014 - 5:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Apparently it was just Brad driving like a nutcase in the garage area, not Brad and Denny." I had friends in the garage area and they said both Hamlin and Brad were being idiots in the actual garage area while the cars were running. Brad was trying to unhook himself from Denny's bumper which is where the tire marks came from that everyone's flipping out about. 523. Watto posted: 10.12.2014 - 5:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) to expand on my line of, "His entire legacy is not "dirty driving", I'm just saying that it's not like Gordon's a saint and Brad isn't."... the point is... neither of them are saints. Two drivers who have had run-ins with many other drivers won't usually see eye to eye with each other. Look at Kyle Busch and Kevin Harvick. The two are so incredibly similar in how they approach many situations and they are not fans of each other at all. It's hilarious watching fans of both drivers hate the other, as if Busch is the opposite of Harvick or vice versa. 524. Hinch77 posted: 10.12.2014 - 6:23 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) "I had friends in the garage area and they said both Hamlin and Brad were being idiots in the actual garage area while the cars were running. Brad was trying to unhook himself from Denny's bumper which is where the tire marks came from that everyone's flipping out about." Brad was doing BURNOUTS in the garage area per ESPN and NBCSports. Maybe that's where it came from. Regardless, someone didn't get the Ward-Stewart memo. 525. Hinch77 posted: 10.12.2014 - 6:58 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Clinch scenarios to get into the third round 1. Joey Logano 3088 2. Kyle Busch 3082 -6 3. Kevin Harvick 3081 -7 4. Ryan Newman 3077 -11 5. Carl Edwards 3076 -12 6. Jeff Gordon 3074 -14 7. Denny Hamlin 3073 -15 8. Kasey Kahne 3057 -31 9. Matt Kenseth 3056 -32 10. Brad Keselowski 3038 -50 11. Jimmie Johnson 3031 -57 12. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. 3031 -57 Logano and Harvick have advanced on their wins. Busch pretty much just needs to stay in the top-30 at Talladega. Realistically, only Kenseth has a chance of not being eliminated as Keselowski needs to finish at least 19 positions of both Kahne and Kenseth, and at least 35 positions ahead of Hamlin. Johnson and Junior need to win, and the other lead the most laps in second with Denny Hamlin finishing last without leading for both to advance. For Johnson or Junior to advance, they would have to finish at least 22 spots ahead of Kahne, 21 spots ahead of Kenseth, and 8 spots ahead of Keselowski (since Kes has the win tie-breaker). In short, it's all but over for Keselowski, Johnson, and Junior. At least 2 of them WILL be eliminated at Talladega, most likely all 3 of them. For the current top-8 drivers who haven't clinched, all but Busch must be careful lest they be bounced at the hands of Kenseth. Prediction: Kahne gets the boot. Looking at Kahne's stats, he is absolutely horrid at the plate races, with only a small handful of solid top-5s in them, as most of his plate top-5s came in total cl*sters like the 2010 July Daytona race. 526. epzik8 posted: 10.12.2014 - 7:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I guess it's good we have an extra day to "recover" from all of this. 527. Anonymous posted: 10.12.2014 - 8:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "For Johnson or Junior to advance, they would have to finish at least 22 spots ahead of Kahne, 21 spots ahead of Kenseth, and 8 spots ahead of Keselowski (since Kes has the win tie-breaker)." your incorrect the chase rules state that tie-breakers for the chase are done on a per round basis. so whoever has the best finish in the 3 races has the tie breaker, Brad's chase win does not count this round. all is out the window if any of the 3 wins Talladega don't forget. this would automatically move them into the next round and then knockout who is in 8th place in points 528. Hinch77 posted: 10.12.2014 - 8:07 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) " your incorrect the chase rules state that tie-breakers for the chase are done on a per round basis. so whoever has the best finish in the 3 races has the tie breaker, Brad's chase win does not count this round. all is out the window if any of the 3 wins Talladega don't forget. this would automatically move them into the next round and then knockout who is in 8th place in points " So if Brad and Jimmie are tied and neither one has won Talladega, then 5 wins is not greater than 3 wins? 529. Grammar Nazi posted: 10.12.2014 - 8:08 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) "your incorrect" "You're incorrect," would be the correct method of expressing yourself. 530. Anonymous posted: 10.12.2014 - 8:39 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "So if Brad and Jimmie are tied and neither one has won Talladega, then 5 wins is not greater than 3 wins? " seasons totals don't count in the chase, the only thing that does matter is how they finish in each set of chase races. so if they tied, the tie breaker goes to the person who had the best finish in those 3 races. which right now is Brad over Jimmy with his 16th place to Jimmie's 17th. 531. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2014 - 9:16 am Rate this comment: (1) (10) My NASCAR villain power rankings: 1) Matt Kenseth Had the chance to punch the shit out of Brad and just soft tackled him. You failed an entire sport Matt. 2) Brad Keselowski Where do I even start? 3) Brian France Lost in all this excitement ((c) Dirty Harry) is the fact that the latest, most gimmicked system to come from Brian's glorious brain that is supposed to reward winning, the bottom 3 heading into The Eliminator part II, the teams that need a miracle to make the next round (2, 48, 88) have 11 combined wins (all have at least 3, with an average of almost 4 between them) while the Top 9 have a total of 17, less than an average of 2 between them. Oh, and one of the current Top 4, Newman, is winless. Good job Brainless Brian. I hope Newman wins it all with no wins. We all know Kyle Larson is gonna win Homestead, that is just a fact. Hopefully Newman makes it to the final four and finishes 2nd in Miami to really expose this joke of a system. My second choice, even though I am ROYALLY pissed at him right now, is Kenseth to win the title with no wins. Remember, this whole chase gimmick was started after Kenseth ran away with the 2003 Winston Cup with one early season win. Now if he can win the most gimmicked system yet with no wins by making the final 4 and finishing 2nd to Larson in the finale. 4) Adrian Peterson I know he isn't a racer, but he has to be included in any villains list 5) Tony Stewart So I ran over a kid in a local dirt track race in a fit of rage, proclaimed my innocence, then, two months later after talking about how you couldn't even get out of bed during the time you laid low to avoid showing how little you care about Kevin Ward Jr, er, I mean "grieving", you slam the hell out of a car on pit road in a fit of rage. Good job. No way the incident with Kevin Ward Jr was done in a fit of rage >_> And guess how much that attack hurts Brad? Zero. Guess how much that affects his crew that already has to deal with a complete dick for a driver? A lot. So much for being an owner calming Tony down. So much for killing somebody calming him down. Somebody else will die at the hands of a Tony Stewart fit of rage. And the blood will be on all of NASCAR's hands. 6) Denny Hamlin Not much sympathy for the target (or I should say the primary target) of shithead's rampage. How much of an asshole do you have to be for that? 532. Anonymous posted: 10.12.2014 - 9:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I remember when I used to be a fan of Brad. After his championship, he just changed and became insufferable as rest of the cup field is. I initially liked it when he voiced his opinions but soon it became tiresome and he must have felt like he could do and say anything. It will be good seeing him eliminated at dega. 533. dennyfan11 posted: 10.12.2014 - 9:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have a question for you. Do you think it matters what kind of make you drive? I say no, because Chevy's, Fords and Toyotas perform equally well. 534. Hinch77 posted: 10.12.2014 - 9:55 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) "5) Tony Stewart So I ran over a kid in a local dirt track race in a fit of rage, proclaimed my innocence, then, two months later after talking about how you couldn't even get out of bed during the time you laid low to avoid showing how little you care about Kevin Ward Jr, er, I mean "grieving", you slam the hell out of a car on pit road in a fit of rage. Good job. No way the incident with Kevin Ward Jr was done in a fit of rage >_> And guess how much that attack hurts Brad? Zero. Guess how much that affects his crew that already has to deal with a complete dick for a driver? A lot. So much for being an owner calming Tony down. So much for killing somebody calming him down. Somebody else will die at the hands of a Tony Stewart fit of rage. And the blood will be on all of NASCAR's hands." *Slow golf clap* Are you seriously so retarded to say that it is Tony's fault that he got slammed from behind by another car (Brad's) so hard that it sent his parked car into another? 535. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2014 - 10:12 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Hinch77, you say that all Kyle Busch has to do at Talladega to advance to the next round is to stay in the top 30. But that's far easier said than done, because he could be leading the race, get involved in a big wreck, and finish outside the top 30, even if it happens near the end of the race, so that's easier said than done. And I think there's a chance that if they finish the race at Talladega, depending on who gets in the wrecks, one or more of those bottom three can still advance just by finishing because they'd still be running and the others would be in the garage area, and there would be your 20+ spots right there. Let's also not forget that Toyota's engine problems reared their ugly heads last night, and as we've seen, when they begin to have engine problems, those engine problems come in bunches, and what hit MWR last night might hit JGR next week at the most inopportune time. And Watto (#513), the reason I say that Brad may go down as the worst champion the sport has ever had has absolutely nothing to do with what he does on the track, but rather how he has conducted himself, especially after he became the champion in 2012, because he still seems to have no clue that part of being a champion is how one conducts himself because he doesn't just represent his team, but when you become the champion, you represent the entire sport, even if you're not the reigning champion. Sure, he was involved in a lot of incidents before he became a champion, including several with Denny Hamlin, a rivalry seeming calmed down that opened back up last night, but there's a certain prestige that comes with being a champion, regardless of sport, and Brad has never lived up to that, especially when it comes to his conduct. And his conduct seems to have gotten steadily worse since his championship in 2012. And for those that blame Matt Kenseth for not having his seatbelt on, or for taking it off, he was stopped on pit road when he got run into, so he can't be blamed for taking his seatbelts off, because he had no idea that he was going to be run into. And I also disagree with the poster that said that Stewart, or someone representing his team, should not have been asked about Tony's involvement in this situation, because he clearly should have been, or someone on his team should have been interviewed about this, because ALL parties should have a chance to give their side of the story, and that includes Stewart. Even Jeff Gordon, who had no involvement in this at all, gave his opinion on what happened when he was informed (and it was biting), so someone representing the #14 team should have been asked if Tony wasn't going to be asked himself. 536. Hinch77 posted: 10.12.2014 - 10:12 am Rate this comment: (5) (0) I believe DSFF as entered lofty territory. DSFF, I now hereby proclaim you an honorary "Troll" of RR! 537. Hinch77 posted: 10.12.2014 - 10:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Hinch77, you say that all Kyle Busch has to do at Talladega to advance to the next round is to stay in the top 30. But that's far easier said than done, because he could be leading the race, get involved in a big wreck, and finish outside the top 30, even if it happens near the end of the race, so that's easier said than done. And I think there's a chance that if they finish the race at Talladega, depending on who gets in the wrecks, one or more of those bottom three can still advance just by finishing because they'd still be running and the others would be in the garage area, and there would be your 20+ spots right there. Let's also not forget that Toyota's engine problems reared their ugly heads last night, and as we've seen, when they begin to have engine problems, those engine problems come in bunches, and what hit MWR last night might hit JGR next week at the most inopportune time." Still isn't that likely... we're talking about some extreme circumstances. 538. WinstonCup4Ever posted: 10.12.2014 - 10:18 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Inexcusable how Keselowski, Hamlin, and Kenseth acted. Tire tracks in garage area, playing bumper cars with each other, even Stewart got in and rammed Keselowski's hood, and damn fist fights in general! I expect lots of penalties and suspensions going into Talladega. I also wouldn't be surprised if Ryan Blaney did in fact replace Keselowski for 2016 at the earliest. I've seen lots out of Ryan in NNS this season, he would be the perfect candidate. 539. Dylan posted: 10.12.2014 - 10:32 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) I've been a fan of Brad Keselowski for six years and he's still better than Matt Kenseth. This fight reminds me of when Jeff Gordon pushed Matt Kenseth at Bristol in 2006. 540. Hinch77 posted: 10.12.2014 - 10:45 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^Difference is that Matt saw Jeff coming, but even that wasn't a fair fight since Gordo had his helmet on. 541. Hinch77 posted: 10.12.2014 - 10:48 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) This will sound funny, but my voice is deeper than every Cup series drivers. 542. Dylan posted: 10.12.2014 - 11:17 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree Hinch77. There's more to come this year. Next stop is Talladega. 543. Nascar Lead Lap Points posted: 10.12.2014 - 11:40 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sponsor Updates #42 Target/Clorox #99 3M/Fastenal #47 Scott Products/Hungry Jack/Clorox #43 Waffle House/Smithfield #20 Dollar General 75th Anniversary (Same for Kansas last week) #26 Rinnai Tankless Water Heaters #7 Cypress HQ / Pilot #33 AmigaGamesInc.com / retroinfinity.com #83 Original Painter's Home Made Ice Cream/Burger King #32 Leaf Filter Gutter Protection 544. Eric posted: 10.12.2014 - 11:42 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) @512, You got your facts wrong when Matt took off his seat belt. He already was stopped on pit road when he got run into by brad like cjs3872 said. Taking off your seat belt while you on pit road is a normal thing for race drivers to do after the race like Matt Kenseth did. Brad did something last night that people on pit road don't like after the race no matter who it is. NASCAR, and teams don't approve of drivers using their car as a weapon on pit road after the race from a safety and point and teams don't like it in terms of fixing the cars. 545. Bradley Thomas posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (3) BREAKING NEWS Brad Keselowski and Matt Kenseth each fined $100,000 and docked 25 points EACH. Crew chiefs suspended for the rest of the season and each fined $100,000. Owners docked 25 points each and fined $75,000. 546. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Well, as for the seat belt controversy with Matt, at least he didn't do like my #1 guy ever did in the '01 Daytona 500 and loosen his belts WHILE THE RACE WAS STILL GOING ON! That was the dumbest seat belt move ever. No guarantees Big E would have survived that wreck, that was a high speed head stopped instantly wreck, but the loosened belts and loosened chin strap sealed his fate. Of course Dale and Matt were/are the best at, once the race was over, getting out of their cars, getting into street clothes, and getting out of the track before anyone else. To do that, they both unstrap early, although I assume Matt has always at least waited for the checkers. Of course on 2/18/2001 Dale was getting unstrapped to join the celebration early. Kinda like June's first win at Texas. Big E was half a lap behind when June took the checkers, yet he hadn't even started his burnouts yet and Dale was parked on pit road, out of his car, sponsor hat on, walking to victory lane. And when June won The Winston, Big E was right there to celebrate with him..... already in street clothes! 547. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Although I don't agree with #5 on comment 531, number 3 couldn't be any closer to the truth. What this chase has done is an absolute disgrace to the term "auto racing." Racing has always been about rewarding the best drivers, but when I look and see the bottom three, there's a serious flaw with NASCAR's ideas here. In no way do I agree with Keselowski's antics last night, but you can't sit here and tell me that Ryan Newman should be above him in the point standings. It's amazing how much this chase has ruined everything that was fair this season. Kyle Busch ran terribly throughout June to August, even having meltdowns at Watkins Glen and Atlanta, yet he's second in points and a legitimate "championship contender?" He can literally hang in the back of the lead pack Sunday at Talladega while some the best overall drivers this year, including Keselowski and Dale Jr, have to win or rely on very unlikely circumstances during the race Sunday to just advance to the next round. I don't think I've ever been angrier after a race in my 10+ years of watching NASCAR than I felt last night. I will watch next Sunday's race at Talladega with the hopes of Dale Jr. winning and being able to add some reflection of a good overall season to the field of 8 will advance (of course Logano and Gordon have been great this year and look to advance). Otherwise, I won't bother to watch the last four races. My status as a NASCAR fan is seemingly diminishing throughout this chase. It's sad, but it's the result of NASCAR trying to cater to the casual fan while alienating its long time fans. Plus, there are so many more exciting racing series out there; I just wish they were avaliable to watch right now. The FIA World Endurance Championship is unfortunately only through paid subscription in the U.S., and the TUDOR Championship and IndyCar seasons are long over for the year. For the first time in years, I'm considering not going to any NASCAR races next year as a spectator. Instead, I'm thinking of just saving my money to go to my first Indianapolis 500; it's within a reasonable driving distance, and it's one of the greatest sporting events in the world. 548. Brad Keselowski & Bubba Wallace Fan posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:22 pm Rate this comment: (2) (1) Embarrassing race. ESPN/ABC misses the first 25 laps. Pathetic. Matt Kenseth penalized for removing a decal for some reason. Brad Keselowski, Denny Hamlin, & Matt Kenseth acting like complete morons after the race (still a BK2 fan, but there's no way I can defend that). This Chase pressure is getting to some of the best drivers in the sport, and it's only gonna get worse from here. This is what you asked for, Brain-dead Brian. It's your dishwater, you soak in it. 549. David posted: 10.12.2014 - 12:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "BREAKING NEWS Brad Keselowski and Matt Kenseth each fined $100,000 and docked 25 points EACH. Crew chiefs suspended for the rest of the season and each fined $100,000. Owners docked 25 points each and fined $75,000." I am not amused. 550. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think Brad suffers from what I call "Kyle Busch Disorder" its when you start off on the wrong foot, gain peoples respect back and even become the "hero" and people cheer for you, then you piss them off again, then you become a "hero" again" and people cheer for you and get happy about you, then you piss them off again. (unless you can think of a better name for this disorder) i'm kind of defending Tony for running into Brad, Brad comes in and (accidentally) rear-ends Tony in a fit-of-rage. I think Brad realised his mistake and ran off because his brain turned back on. Tony being confused (as well as being Tony) throws the car in reverse and goes after Brad. I think we're all on his side, sorta, I don't know if that was the 100% right decision but I can't think of a better way to react, don't lie you'd probably do the same even if you were actually guilty of something "DSFF, I now hereby proclaim you an honorary 'Troll' of RR!" even though i've never been called names I guess we've forgotten about all the BS i've said over the years (mostly with talking about my stories, for some reason) 551. Anonymous posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jekyll and Hyde? 552. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Where did you hear this, @545? Now while I do believe there should be severe punishment met to the three main participants involved (Tony Stewart didn't do anything worthy of any kind of sanction by NASCAR, in my view), penalties aren't usually announced until Monday or Tuesday. That said, if those are eventually the penalties assessed to Keselowski and Kenseth, it would not be out of line, though Denny Hamlin should also get some kind of penalty assessed to him. I also think law enforcement could easily get involved in what happened between Keselowski and Kenseth in the garage area after the race. However, I don't think the crew chiefs should be sanctioned in any way, but if they are, here's an interesting question. Darian Grubb, Denny Hamlin's crew chief, is already under probation for that rules infraction at Indy that got him suspended for six races, so if the crew chiefs are sanctioned, how would Grubb's probation affect any potential penalty that could be headed his way? 553. Hinch77 posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^cjs, he made it up. It is a lie. 554. David posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't pay attention to that post, cjs. He has a history of reporting "breaking news" that is totally fake. 555. Hinch77 posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:30 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "I think Brad suffers from what I call "Kyle Busch Disorder" its when you start off on the wrong foot, gain peoples respect back and even become the "hero" and people cheer for you, then you piss them off again, then you become a "hero" again" and people cheer for you and get happy about you, then you piss them off again." That's not Kyle Busch Disorder. THIS is Kyle Busch Disorder: Kyle Busch Disorder is when you start off on the wrong foot, people'sthe media's respect back and even become the "hero," and the people media cheer for you. Then you piss the people media off again; then you become a "hero" again," and the people media cheer for you and get happy about you. Then you piss them off again. This is better known as AED, Attitude Era Disease. 556. Schroeder51 posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Don't pay attention to that post, cjs. He has a history of reporting "breaking news" that is totally fake." He is the same tool who claimed that the Coke Zero 400 back in July would be delayed several weeks due to a terrorist making a bomb threat against the speedway. I wouldn't take ANYTHING this guy says seriously after that. 557. Hinch77 posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^And he is still in circulation? 558. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:42 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) It might be, @553-554, but the truth is, those might end up being the very penalties handed down to Keselowski and Kenseth as a result of what happened after the race last night, though if that's the case, Denny Hamlin deserves to be penalized, as well. And because of the way Kenseth assaulted Keselowski after the race, the local authorities could also get involved. But there's no way the crew chiefs should be sanctioned in any way, and neither should Tony Stewart, as he did nothing that deserves any punishment by NASCAR. That said, one thing that bears watching for the future regarding this incident is the reaction by Jeff Gordon after the fact, because I don't think Keselowski is going to take Gordon's response to the incident, or his comments about his animosity toward Keselowski very well, so this incident exposed more bad blood between Keselowski and Gordon than anyone realized there was. And if Keselowski does miss the cut for the next round, we could see fireworks between the #2 and #24 cars in the final few races, and not just because Keselowski may want to help teammate Joey Logano win the title, because apparently Gordon harbors the same ill will towards Keselowski that Kenseth and Hamlin do, and that could boomerang back in Gordon's direction when it hurts the most. 559. JoeFan#8 posted: 10.12.2014 - 1:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm just curious, how it Tony now getting the hate for using his car to hit somebody, just like Brad did on pit road? I get why he did it and all, but if it's wrong for Brad to do it, then it's also wrong for Tony to do it. And as for Brad/Denny thing in the garage area. There's just nothing good to say there lol. 560. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2014 - 2:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Breaking News: The Panthers defense sucks 561. Matthew posted: 10.12.2014 - 2:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Brad K is a joke 562. Hinch77 posted: 10.12.2014 - 2:31 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) ^Aren't we all, in the grand scheme of things? 563. racefangurl posted: 10.12.2014 - 3:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Some people found the fights entertaining, I've heard. I guess I need to capitalize more or use exclamation points, so I don't seem so matter-of-fact and lifeless. I don't have to worry about 'Dega! Joey has a WIN THIS ROUND!!!!!!! KansasSSSSSSSSSSSS was the best RACE OF THIS ROUND! CAN'T WAIT FOR 'DEGA!!!!!!!!!!! 564. Anonymous posted: 10.12.2014 - 3:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^Cause of DNF: Burned piston 565. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2014 - 3:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Breaking News: Luke Kuechley is better than you 566. Evan posted: 10.12.2014 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) This was probably one of the most wildest ends to a race, I've ever seen in my 20+ years of watching racing. Brad Keselowski and Matt Kenseth trade some serious paint on the restart which hurts Brad Keselowski's tire, then he and Denny Hamlin go at it and Hamlin and Keselowski have contact and Keselowski spins him after the checkers, then he gets into Kenseth on pit road and runs into Tony Stewart by accident, Tony rams him back and bends the fender up, and I am not done yet. Matt Kenseth searched for Keselowski and tackled him in anger and all the crew guys started fighting and arguing. Denny Hamlin was not the best behaved of them either, he handled himself the best in the interview but if Hamlin was a vampire, you could still see the fangs, Hamlin was out for blood. I've never seen this many drivers mad after a race in my life. If anyone is looking for the turning point of the season, that Kansas race may have been it as like I said in the previous race's post that Dale Junior and Johnson(who had a frustrating night, his car could only run in the Harry Gant Groove) their hopes may come down to that blown tire and crash at Kansas. Only one of them can win Talladega. But with the suspensions and point reductions of the antics of Brad Keselowski, Matt Kenseth, and Denny Hamlin this Chase has turned completely upside down. But looking at the behavior by the drivers tonight, this is what people wanted, raw emotion and angry over losing and it boiled over tonight. I understand anger and all, but you don't do what Brad was doing, crew members could have been hurt working on cars and everything else. I like Brad Keselowki as a driver, but he's made an ass of himself since becoming a champion and it showed again tonight, now his Chase hopes go from slim to none, Hamlin, Johnson, Dale Jr. or Keselowski HAVE to win Talladega to be in the Chase. This is without picking sides, the most important race of the year for all those drivers. Let's see what happens, because the gloves have come off. 567. Watto posted: 10.12.2014 - 3:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Brad was doing BURNOUTS in the garage area per ESPN and NBCSports. Maybe that's where it came from. Regardless, someone didn't get the Ward-Stewart memo." Dude, even Jeff Gluck reported that Hamlin was hitting Keselowski in the garage and Keselowski spun his tires to unhook himself. You realize what a "burnout" is? It's spinning your tires. Jeff Gluck's never been a Keselowski fan so I'd take his word on that regardless of what my friends told me who were working in the garage. 568. Watto posted: 10.12.2014 - 4:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Jeff Gluck said that the tire marks came from Brad "gassing it" to get away from Denny. Matt Weaver of SBN reported that the two were chasing each other and hitting each other in their cars in the garage area. But you can pretend it was all Brad, if you like. After all, if I'm a bullshitter, then the media is, too. 569. Watto posted: 10.12.2014 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Given that the 11 car was parked BEHIND Brad's when they came to a rest, and Gluck reported that the 2 was trying to get away from Denny, it's pretty clear that Brad wasn't the only idiot in the garage. 570. Hinch77 posted: 10.12.2014 - 4:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^You made your point... that you were right, and I was wrong, but more importantly that you are insanely and viciously determined to remove blame from Brad. 571. Watto posted: 10.12.2014 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I literally just said that Brad wasn't the "only idiot", which clearly means that I found him to be an idiot, doesn't it? Brad was a complete idiot last night. How's that for removing blame from Brad? I just happen to think multiple people were idiots last night. As I said in my first post on here, the post-race was a circus and wasn't good for the sport. Brad is a sizeable part of that. I'm just not pretending he was sitting there doing burnouts in the garage area or that this is a black or white issue where we have to figure out the bad guy and the good guy because anything different would be too complicated. 572. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2014 - 4:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think there should be a rule saying "do not unbuckle and 'undress' (I can't think of a better verb) until 'everyone'is on pit road and parked." I say "everyone" because i'm assuming there are wrecked cars somewhere on the track, and also assuming the winner is doing donuts does "parked" include a car running into somebody on pit road and parking beside them? yes. "parked" means your engine isn't idling. I can't imagine why you'd leave your car running while you go after somebody wait, after the race do you park on pit road or go to the garage? because that might complicate things 573. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2014 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) These Cardiac Cats are gonna kill me! DSFF's heart, I'm afraid I've got some bad news! 574. TS1420 posted: 10.12.2014 - 4:27 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I love how DSFF harps on Tony Stewart being a "psycho", when he is all upset over Kenseth failing to do this http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/634532_o.gif to Keselowski. 575. jabber1990 posted: 10.12.2014 - 4:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I guess I could call it "Kurt Busch Disorder" since alot of us were cheering for Kurt earlier in his career, before he turned into Kurt Busch, then he was forced to "pay for his sins" then people cheered for him again then he pissed everyone off again, then he earned the peoples respect back 576. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2014 - 4:53 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Evan, we don't know if there are going to be any suspensions handed down, or whether how many, if any points will be taken away. But that being said, the chances of Keselowski, Johnson, and Dale, Jr. likely went down the drain by virtue of their poor finishes in each of the last two races. But I'm not sure I agree with your assessment about the Chase being turned upside down, because you still have Kevin Harvick, Jeff Gordon, and Joey Logano, who have been the three most consistently successful drivers this year on most of the tracks, but especially the tracks on which most of the Chase is run. And while Gordon stumbled last week at Kansas, he returned to form at Charlotte, and he, Logano and Harvick have been there all year, and it shows in the Chase. Should it be any surprise that the last four races have all been won by these three drivers, especially given their form all season long? I think not. The real question here is how Jimmie Johnson apparently not making it to round three affects everyone else in the Chase, because of his capacity to dominate at places like Martinsville and Phoenix, and if he fails to make it to round three, any race he wins helps another driver that's trying to make it through to be one of those final four on points, since that takes away a win from an eligible driver. And if both the 48 and 88 teams fail to advance, how much extra help does Gordon get for those final four races from those two teams that he didn't figure to get once the Chase started? and by the way, the same may end up being true regarding Kasey Kahne if he were to make it into the next round and the 48 and 88 don't make it there. In other words, if he makes it to round three, Kahne suddenly becomes a real dark horse to win the title, with the situation being as it is now. Of course, if Keselowski doesn't make it, Joey Logano becomes absolutely the prohibitive favorite to win it all. 577. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.12.2014 - 5:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The Bengals should've benched their primary kicker and sent their back up kicker onto the field during their final play of the game that way the could've possibly avoided the game ending in a tie. 578. racefangurl posted: 10.12.2014 - 5:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) If Joey's the prohibitive favorite, I'll SCREAM! I can get excited and that would be grounds to be so. 579. The Crimson King posted: 10.12.2014 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Oh lord, DSFF is a panthers fan? And to think I actually liked him... 580. The Crimson King posted: 10.12.2014 - 6:28 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I'm not a Jr fan, but I'm going to root for him at Dega just because I don't want to see a pretty good "regular season" go to waste. 581. d posted: 10.12.2014 - 6:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) and Nascar won't deal any penalties. Guys just bumped each other after a race. The 'fight' was basically a few grown men giving each other back rubs. Nascar needs as many guys in the chase free for all at Talladega as possible. 582. d posted: 10.12.2014 - 6:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) check the video on Horse bumping Kenseth as they were getting to pit road. If Kenseth is stopped in that video, then Martinsville is just a bunch of cars in a parking lot not moving either. Watch the video before you say what happened in it 583. MAR posted: 10.12.2014 - 6:44 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Im all for goin back to the old Winston cup points system 584. Anonymous posted: 10.12.2014 - 6:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) Why is everyone losing their minds and acting like a bunch of stuck-up c*nts? 585. d posted: 10.12.2014 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qW8iYiFQVE 8:45 - Kenseth wasn't stopped when he got bumped. Did the people who think he was stopped actually watch the incident before posting? 586. d posted: 10.12.2014 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) @535,544 Is there some other contact with Kenseth where he is parked? Here is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qW8iYiFQVE go to 8:45 or so, everyone is moving when Horse rubs Kenseth. Just because the Gibbs guys say Kenseth was run into when he was stopped, that doesn't change the fact that everyone was driving onto pit road. I hope all these guys cause each other trouble the next couple weeks and cost each other any championship shots. The series needs some decent rivalries. It's going to be interesting to see Gibbs tell Edwards that he has to be a baby to fit in with the team next year, at least he already doesn't like Brad. 587. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.12.2014 - 6:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also why the hell didn't Carolina try and go for a touchdown on a 4 & 1 instead of the field goal on their last possession of overtime it's what I would have done. 588. David posted: 10.12.2014 - 7:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Why is everyone losing their minds and acting like a bunch of stuck-up c*nts?" At Charlotte or here? 589. Brad Keselowski & Bubba Wallace Fan posted: 10.12.2014 - 7:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) "Im all for goin back to the old Winston cup points system" Or at the very least keep the points payout (43-1), and drop the Chase. 590. Anonymous posted: 10.12.2014 - 7:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Here, comrade. 591. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.12.2014 - 7:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) How bout them Cowboys 592. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2014 - 7:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) Riverboat Ron played it safe and got the FG. He showed WAY too much faith in the defense, thinking they could get the ball back to Cam who had a hell of a game. Not only did the Panthers defense (or as I call them, Luke Keukley and 10 bums) not get the ball back, they set Cincy up for a very makeable game winning FG that was choked away, ironically by a kicker whose last name is Nugent (the pressure got him in a Stranglehold baby!). And if you wanna talk about me doing 180s on how I feel about people like Brad, look at the 180 I have done with Cam Newton as our QB. I couldn't stand him at first. But he has matured and is playing outstanding football. He has me saying "Yes We Cam1!" which used to make me wanna puke. I was watching College Gameday yesterday morning which was a Mississippi State who was playing Auburn. The only good thing about that show is the signs the crowd brings. But I actually found myself getting mad at the ones picking on Cam. He is officially my boy now. 593. cjs3872 posted: 10.12.2014 - 8:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Yes Ben, it seems that the Cowboys are back, and in a season in which the NFL has had nothing but bad news on and off the field, that's big news indeed, especially in a year where other traditional marquee franchises such as the Steelers are struggling mightily. They got blown out by the Browns today. With all the bad things to happen to the NFL this year, to have the Cowboys apparently back as real contenders is a sight for sore eyes, especially for those that remember when the Cowboys were always on the short list of contenders, either in the 70s or the 90s. And DSFF, one thing that has helped out with Cam Newton is the fact that he's allowed himself to become a traditional NFL-style QB, unlike numerous other QBs with the same skill set that don't seem to get it. Of course, being one of the biggest QBs in the league doesn't hurt, but he's definitely matured as a QB the last couple of years. and in a division where nobody seems to be that good, Newton figures to have the Panthers, who's defense has gotten as generous this year as they were stingy last year, in contention for the division title. And I know they crushed the hapless Bucs today to go 4-2, but while everyone's looking at the Denver-San Diego games as THE games in the AFC, as well as the Patriots, who are doing just enough to win, and nothing more, the Baltimore Ravens are quietly also staging a re-emergence, and this is a team that has many of the core people from it's Super Bowl team of two years ago still there, and thus, know how to win, and if the rest of the AFC isn't careful, the Ravens will have sneaked up on everyone and return to the status they annually enjoyed until last year's 8-8 season. My only question about them is whether or not they can beat the big teams, because the Bengals aren't impressing anyone right now, and I don't think the Browns are quite ready to challenge the Ravens and Bengals in that division just yet. 594. Evan posted: 10.12.2014 - 9:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I see your point, cjs3872. Getting back to whether Gordon or Kahne gets the help, I think that Johnson and Junior need to do what's good for the team IF they get knocked out which will happen barring a miracle and only one can go through. All they are racing for is pride, but with all the information that HMS gets from their drivers, everybody knows who's getting whose information. Which sometimes make me believe that will all that information going everywhere, the top team the 48 thinks, "If I can't win this year, none of my teammates will" which is kind of farfetched but these guys working on the cars know everything that goes into them and with all that information sharing, it could work the opposite way too, IMO. As far as what I saw, I was commenting out of emotion on how wild it was last night. Needless to say, how things will play out will be interesting. 595. murb posted: 10.12.2014 - 9:26 pm Rate this comment: (3) (1) After having a day to think about what all happened last night, I really don't think there should be any penalties for anybody (other than maybe a fine or whatever to Brad and maybe Denny for the idiocy that apparently went on in the garage area - but even then I'm hearing a lot of conflicting stories, so it will probably be pretty hard to determine what exactly happened in there). I still think Brad is an absolute asshole and acted like a complete child last night (and continues to show that he is the most delusional and arrogant driver currently in Cup), but I really don't think what he did was suspension-worthy. Like I said, if they want to fine him (and the others too, if they want), then that's fine. But I really hope they don't overreact to this and start parking people (luckily, with the way they've been hyping up this Talladega race and the eliminations and all that, I seriously doubt they will - plus, I'm REALLY looking forward to watching Brad get hung out to dry and ditched in the draft by everyone next week - it would be a downright travesty if we didn't get to see that). And also real quick, to all of the people who are saying that Kenseth "assaulted" Brad and could have seriously injured him (not many on here, but I've seen it plenty of other places): give me a god damn break. People are acting like Matt came up behind him with a knife and tried to shank him or something. First of all, if you rewatch the video, you can clearly see Brad hear a commotion and turn around right before Matt gets to him, so Brad obviously got a look at what was about to happen. And secondly, Matt BARELY tackled him and put him in a headlock. That's it!! Call me crazy if you want to, but I would absolutely much rather see drivers doing this than see them plow into each other on pit road at fast speeds after the race (you know, like what Brad did). Like The King always says, "I'm fine if you beat up on each other after the race, just don't beat up on my equipment". So yes, this was absolutely a completely unnecessary, giant cluster f***. But after thinking it over and rewatching the video several times, I think everyone (including all of us) is kind of making a mountain out of a molehill of this situation. I personally can't wait for Talladega, if for nothing else, so I can stop hearing and reading about all of this, because I'm already sick to death of hearing about it, and it happened less than 24 hours ago. 596. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.12.2014 - 9:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^ Murb, i'd never really thought i'd see a post like that from you. 597. murb posted: 10.12.2014 - 9:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Murb, i'd never really thought i'd see a post like that from you." Okay? If that's a compliment, then thanks I guess. 598. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.12.2014 - 10:06 pm Rate this comment: (0) (2) I, too, have seen other posters on other forums saying what Matt did was cheap and dirty. He didn't do enough. Brad needs to be taken down a few pegs. To have the most mild mannered driver punch the shit out of him in the dark between the haulers from behind would have done that. Instead he basically got a hug. 599. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.12.2014 - 10:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I agree, murb. Brad was in no danger of being seriously hurt by being in a fight with another driver. I prefer that than to see drivers slamming into each other on pit road and creating danger as well as making more work for the pit crews who already have lots of work to do each week. I also agree with DSFF, I'd have approached Brad with a fist had I been in Matt's shoes last night. 600. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.12.2014 - 11:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Okay? If that's a compliment, then thanks I guess." A compliment it was Mr. Murb. 601. irony posted: 10.12.2014 - 11:56 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) DSFF, you honestly think that Short, Star, and Davis are bums? Of course, you're the same goon that said the Panthers wouldn't go anywhere with Cam. 602. road runner posted: 10.13.2014 - 3:33 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) if brad k is wrong for hitting kenseth on pit road, tony stwart is wrong for throwing his car in reverse and hitting brad. 603. Walter White posted: 10.13.2014 - 5:18 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) Anyone who thinks DSFF is a troll clearly has not hears of I love Japan/Rad83 (Dave Blaney and Brian Vickers have more money then you idiot. But the fight after the race I missed because I was incredibly drunk. But I probably would have still driven smarter then Brad. Also whoever is talking so much crap on Roush in every post they make, I beat you to that a long time ago, you are stupid. DSFF, I know Kit is gone but you are proof of how long ago 2008 is. You are stupid beyond belief and I have more respect for Michael Waltrip who for the record is the true villain of NASCAR then I ever will you. Hinch, no one cares about your deep voice and I will never die. You are cool though. Racefangurl give me your digits girl ;). Tony Stewart is awesome and I cannot wait for Larson to win. Anyone making any predictions or rankings are incredibly stupid because thst stuff is less based in reality then that one idiot's "breaking news". And can anyone tell me why this system is so bad when this much stuff us happening? No, because they are too busy Bitching about the system and the stuff that's happening. Well have a good night guys and stay humble but enjoy life. I love all of you. 604. Walter White posted: 10.13.2014 - 5:31 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) For the record, I'm incredibly stupid too so anyone who takes me seriously really needs to get their head checked too. Because they are incredibly stupid. Also anyone who thinks Jeff Gordon is going to magically start fading just because it's October.... You are incredibly stupid. 605. Hinch77 posted: 10.13.2014 - 6:50 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) Somewhere in the two above posts is incredible awesomeness. And how dare you mention "I Love Japan." That was a TROLL in the highest. Lived purely to viciously assault anyone who doesn't like Toyota's in NASCAR with a vicious, anti-American attitude. 606. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.13.2014 - 7:26 am Rate this comment: (0) (6) Irony, did you not read my post? I said exactly what you said. In his first two years I knew we were going nowhere with Cam and said so loudly. I didn't think he would ever mature as a person or as a player. But then he did. I admitted I wrong about him like I was obviously wrong about Brad. And speaking of Brad, I'm saying he needed to be punched to the point of having to go to the ICU (like Rudy T in the NBA a long time ago). But he does need a good punch to the face that breaks a nose or even an orbital socket. Sometimes violence is the answer. 607. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.13.2014 - 7:36 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Is it just me or does it seem like most of today's Pro football players are made out of glass or Styrofoam. 608. irony posted: 10.13.2014 - 7:47 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) You mean the first two years where all he did was set records despite only having one WR and what you would call bums? Oh yeah, he wore a towel on his head. So immature! Now calling for Brad Kez to be punched until he has to go to ICU, that's mature! 609. The Long Shot posted: 10.13.2014 - 8:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) First thing I read when I woke up this morning was that MSNBC's "Good Morning America" apparently tried to connect Tony Stewart's involvement in Saturday night's incident to the Kevin Ward tragedy. Remind me whose brilliant idea it was to create news media again? 610. dennyfan11 posted: 10.13.2014 - 9:00 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) What races did I love Japan and Rad83 comment on? 611. racefangurl posted: 10.13.2014 - 9:31 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Walter White says he wants my digits. What did I say here to cause him to say that? If it's a view or views I've stated more than once, which of my views is it? Or is it just the way I seem to be based on my Cup boards comments? 612. Hinch77 posted: 10.13.2014 - 11:55 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Simple people stick together, it seems. 613. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.13.2014 - 12:56 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Remind me whose brilliant idea it was to create news media again?" People who want too get rich off of it. 614. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.13.2014 - 1:10 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) Well, they've released a video of Brad's "burnout" in the garage and I've got to say that, in my opinion, there was much todo about nothing. 615. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.13.2014 - 1:19 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Sometimes violence is the answer." I don't disagree with this line, but break Brad's nose or an orbital socket over that??? Give me a break!!! "if brad k is wrong for hitting kenseth on pit road, tony stwart is wrong for throwing his car in reverse and hitting brad." I understand where you're coming from, but you're incorrect, in my opinion. If someone punches you and you throw a punch back, I don't think the person who returned the punch has the same culpability as the person who threw the initial punch. In fact, I don't think person #2 has any culpability at all. Same thing with Stewart and Brad, only it involved cars. 616. cjs3872 posted: 10.13.2014 - 1:34 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Or a combination of steel and hot air, @607. I say that because of how so many of them are blown up, either by PEDs (steroids, HGH, and other PEDs) or being just plain fat, depending on what position they play. Only the quarterbacks, most of the running backs, wide receivers, defensive backs, and the kickers (either the punters or the place kickers) look like normal human beings that aren't blown up, to some degree. Even some of the tight ends have gotten blown up in recent years. And even some of the RBs, WR, and DBs use PEDs, though it isn't quite as obvious. Any long-time NFL fan will tell you that the linemen of about 30-40 years ago weren't much bigger than some of the QBs of today are, and some of the linebackers back then weren't much bigger than some of the receivers are today. (I don't think Hall of Fame LB Jack Lambert ever weighed more than 225, and he weighed about 210 when the Steelers drafted him.) Heck, you look at now-retired Ravens LB Ray Lewis, now an ESPN anaylst, and he actually looks like a normal human being, instead of some blown-up NFL player, which is he was for 17 years. When he retired, he went from 260 lbs. back down to about 225, which is about what he weighed when he was in college. And he's one of many, many examples of players blowing themselves up to play in the NFL. 617. murb posted: 10.13.2014 - 3:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "apparently tried to connect Tony Stewart's involvement in Saturday night's incident to the Kevin Ward tragedy." Of course they did. They're running out of "hot car deaths" and Ebola stuff to talk about, so of course they have to get involved with this and try and make some sort of narrative out of it. Just pathetic "journalism" at it's finest. And by the way, I thought it was great to see Tony do that the other night. I saw someone compare it to when your Grandpa or someone like that comes in and snaps the belt to make the kids stop fighting, and I thought that was the perfect description of it. With his ramming of Brad (which, by the way, I still don't think was as bad as Brad just barreling into Kenseth at a high rate of speed), I truly believe Tony was just trying to stop Brad and those guys from turning it into an even bigger shitfest than it already was. Unfortunately that didn't work because Brad continued to show his ass (and Denny didn't help matters by not letting it go - Kenseth on the other hand I don't blame whatsoever for being totally pissed), but I thought it was great to see Tony try to get involved and put an end to all of that (believe me, if Tony was actually RAGING like some people - including one particular on here - are making it out to be, we would have seen a lot more involvement from him in this situation, trust me). But yeah, of course that's not the way these media twats see it. All they see is "Tony Stewart rammed another driver after the race", just like how all they saw when the Ward thing happened was "Tony Stewart strikes and kills on foot driver". It's just completely despicable and absolutely uninformed "journalism". Sadly though, I'm not surprised whatsoever. 618. cjs3872 posted: 10.13.2014 - 4:11 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Yes, Denny Hamlin does seem to have that problem regarding not letting things go, doesn't he, murb? You would think he'd have figured out how to let stuff go by now. He lost the championship in 2010 by not letting his team's tactical blunder at Phoenix go by the time they got to Homestead, and it got the best of him there. Then in 2013, it happened again with the whole situation with Joey Logano, something that resulted in him getting injured at the end of the race at Fontana. That started in earnest at the Daytona 500, and then at Bristol, he flat took Logano out, and then Logano finished matters at Fontana. Guys like Hamlin are one big reason why Jimmie Johnson has always been so formidable in the Chase (though apparently not this year, as the law of averages seem to have caught up with him this year), because they're mentally weak, and Denny Hamlin's one of the worst when it comes to that, mainly because he can't let stuff go. 619. TS1420 posted: 10.13.2014 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "And speaking of Brad, I'm saying he needed to be punched to the point of having to go to the ICU (like Rudy T in the NBA a long time ago). But he does need a good punch to the face that breaks a nose or even an orbital socket. Sometimes violence is the answer." https://i.imgflip.com/d1d6b.jpg "First thing I read when I woke up this morning was that MSNBC's "Good Morning America" apparently tried to connect Tony Stewart's involvement in Saturday night's incident to the Kevin Ward tragedy. Remind me whose brilliant idea it was to create news media again?" The MSM is all for pushing uninformed, biased, sensational bs for the sake of precious ratings. I have absolutely no use for their garbage they try to pass off as facts every single day. 620. Hinch77 posted: 10.13.2014 - 4:19 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Talladega Entry list: #21- Trevor Bayne #29- Front Row Joe #32- The Iceman, in his (supposed) final career start #66- Michael Waltrip (God save us all) #83- J.J. Yeley #87- Mike "The Forgotten" Wallace #95- Captain Jesus 621. murb posted: 10.13.2014 - 4:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Yes, Denny Hamlin does seem to have that problem regarding not letting things go, doesn't he" That's always been his biggest problem. I've always liked him just fine (while others have HATED him - though I can certainly see how he could rub some people the wrong way), but he does really frustrate me when he gets involved in these things. Instead of getting back at Brad, he should have been thinking "Well, we've been by far the best plate team all year, we won at Talladega in the Spring, and we're going there next week - let's focus on that and go there and win that race". You're right about the Joey thing last year too, because he should have let that go as well (as well as the original feud he had with Brad when Brad was an NNS driver). I still mostly blame Mike Ford and the #11 team for losing the 2010 championship (I know you might say "Denny qualified bad at Homestead and spun out", but if you look at his qualifying record at Homestead, he's ALWAYS been bad there, including the year before where he won from 38th starting position - and as for the spin, I don't totally blame him for that either - Biffle could have given him more room). But yes, Denny has always had trouble letting things go. I think his current record as a Cup driver is about right (24 wins is pretty damn good), but I think his (at times) fragile mental state has held him back from some success. Hopefully it won't this time, because like I said, he has by far been the best plate driver this year (counting the Shootout and Duels, he has finishes of 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, and 6th in the plate races this year). He should be one of the favorites at Talladega this weekend if he has his head on straight. 622. murb posted: 10.13.2014 - 4:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "#32- The Iceman, in his (supposed) final career start" I really hope they'll make a big deal about this, but surely all they'll do is just make a brief 10 second mention of it during the race. It's a shame. Terry deserves a really nice sendoff. 623. Schroeder51 posted: 10.13.2014 - 4:28 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) You can totally tell by the majority of the news articles and news reports that many members of the media WANTED to see Tony Stewart indicted by the grand jury...no doubt so they could have a huge trial to cover and sensationalize, and so they could make even more money and/or get big ratings. And no doubt had Tony been indicted, a LARGE portion of the general public would have just eaten the whole court case up. For whatever reason, tons of people out there really enjoy seeing people's lives being ruined and utterly destroyed. You KNOW if Tony had been indicted, people would have been happily tuned into whatever major news network that jumped at the chance to cover the trial (HLN, I would assume-since anytime a scandalous, sensational court case comes up, that channel goes ALL in to cover it), hoping to see Stewart get the maximum punishment possible. It doesn't shock me one bit that they would try to connect Tony backing into Keselowski after the race with Kevin Ward's death; the media has already decided that Tony got away with murder... 624. Schroeder51 posted: 10.13.2014 - 4:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I really hope they'll make a big deal about this, but surely all they'll do is just make a brief 10 second mention of it during the race. It's a shame. Terry deserves a really nice sendoff." I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even mention it was Terry's last start at ALL. He's not in the Chase and is driving for some low budget team, so that obviously means his story will be completely unimportant to ESPN. Seriously, how many drivers who failed to make the Chase have they really talked about all that much other than Kyle Larson? 625. The Long Shot posted: 10.13.2014 - 4:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even mention it was Terry's last start at ALL. He's not in the Chase and is driving for some low budget team, so that obviously means his story will be completely unimportant to ESPN. Seriously, how many drivers who failed to make the Chase have they really talked about all that much other than Kyle Larson?" Danica, but your point is still well-made. It's really pathetic that a two-time series champion's last race will likely be skimmed over like that. Here's hoping he can end his career with a solid finish (he was pretty competitive in the spring race from what I remember). 626. TS1420 posted: 10.13.2014 - 5:04 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) Not defending BSPN, but won't this be Terry's 100th "Last Race Ever"? 627. The Crimson King posted: 10.13.2014 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Do you think there will be a lot of teammate helping in 'dega? Like, let's say Jr and Gordon are racing for the win late in the race. Do you think Gordon would push Jr to the win to put him in the chase or would he say "f**k it" and take the win and eliminate his teammate? Something to think about. 628. Eric posted: 10.13.2014 - 5:36 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) CJS3872, You can't saw some of the tight ends have gotten blown up in recent years because Tight ends first got blown up over way over 20 years ago. I am saying this as a person who first got into following the NFL in 1987. I am saying that because of two time pro bowl tight end Eric Green. I remembered him when his career started out with the Steelers. Eric Green was a 6 foot 5 and 280 pound tight end that played from 1990 to 1990 although I thought he played at 290 pounds as a tight end. I remembered him in the 1990's and he was huge as as a tight end and having good agility for a tight end that size. Eric Green was an Offensive linemen playing the Tight End Position that he had enough had enough speed to get open based on the fact he once had a reception for 71 yards for a Tight End in the 280 to 290 pound range. I am mentioning this because because before Eric Green was drafted in 1990, Big Tight ends were in the 250 pound range, not in the 260 to 290 pound range. 629. Watto posted: 10.13.2014 - 5:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "(which, by the way, I still don't think was as bad as Brad just barreling into Kenseth at a high rate of speed)" Yeah that speed difference of 5 miles per hour between the two cars was sooo jarring... lol. You might want to look at that replay again. 630. murb posted: 10.13.2014 - 6:06 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Yeah that speed difference of 5 miles per hour between the two cars was sooo jarring... lol." Well, Brad was going fast enough to not only hit Matt, but also hit Tony. So I don't think it was nearly as minor as you are making it out to be. Tony's might have looked more violent because he fully connected with the hit, but if Brad would have fully gotten a piece of Kenseth's car at that rate of speed, he would have done some serious damage. I'm glad that didn't happen. 631. Hinch77 posted: 10.13.2014 - 6:14 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Let's be blunt here... Eric Martin died as a result of crap like Saturday night. 632. cjs3872 posted: 10.13.2014 - 6:18 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) But Eric, at that time, he was the exception, not the rule. Now many teams have tight ends that are blown up. In fact, Chargers' TE Antonio Gates, doubtlessly headed for the Hall of Fame, along with recently retired contemporary Tony Gonzalez and the Cowboys' Jason Witten, are smaller tight ends for this particular era, because they go about 250 lbs., which is small for tight ends by today's standards. But a generation ago, they would have been the size you would expect for that position. But the real changes in that regard are the linemen and the linebackers, because quite a few linebackers today are bigger than the defensive linemen of about 25 years ago were, and the linemen, for quite a different reason (being fat, instead of PED use), are about 30 lbs. heavier than they used to be. For those that can remember when the Redskins were truly a great team, the key to their success was their linemen, but unlike the Cowboys' linemen of just a few years later, the linemen on those Redskins teams were legitimate 300 pound guys that were also very agile, because they had to be able to move in any direction, and I consider that offensive line to be the last truly great offensive line in the game's history, because they could literally do it all. They were all in the 290-310 lb. range, except the center, but they were great athletes, not mostly fast guys like you have now, a trend that started with the Cowboys of the early 90s. Only the Broncos offensive line of the late 90s and the Patriots OL of the early-to-mid 2000s would even compare in overall athletic ability with the Hogs and the great lines that came before them. And by the way, doesn't anyone think it's more than a little ironic that in the aftermath of the post-race ruckus that more than a few have compared to what took place after the 1979 Daytona 500, that the last active driver remaining from that historic race, Terry Labonte, would make his final start in the very next race. 42 drivers took part in that race (41 took the green and yellow flags to officially start that race, and Dick May relieved D.K. Ulrich during the 15-lap caution to begin that race to dry a wet track), and Terry Labonte, the last active driver remaining from that race, is slated to start his final race this weekend at Talladega, a race that he won twice (he won the second Talladega race in 1989, when it was still held in July, and in 1997, the first year it was held in the fall). 633. Watto posted: 10.13.2014 - 6:36 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Well, Brad was going fast enough to not only hit Matt, but also hit Tony. So I don't think it was nearly as minor as you are making it out to be. Tony's might have looked more violent because he fully connected with the hit, but if Brad would have fully gotten a piece of Kenseth's car at that rate of speed, he would have done some serious damage. I'm glad that didn't happen." You need to compare the speeds of all 3 cars. Both Kenseth and Keselowski are moving considerably faster than that of Tony Stewart's car. Keselowski is *barely* going faster than Kenseth. It's seriously about a 5 mph difference. Stewart is going way slower than both and coming to a stop. There's no "serious damage" with Brad fully connecting a hit with Kenseth. The worst thing he could've done was spin him out. It was a door tap with a difference of about 5 mph. Let's not make this into something it wasnt. Keselowski was idiotic Saturday night, but I'm not going to overexaggerate what went down. 634. murb posted: 10.13.2014 - 6:45 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Fair enough then, Watto. I still don't think Tony's hit was nearly as bad as what Brad attempted to do, but whatever. "Eric Martin died as a result of crap like Saturday night." Not really. The reason for his accident was because for some reason Arca made it okay for them to not have spotters during practice. 635. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.13.2014 - 7:13 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) "And by the way, I thought it was great to see Tony do that the other night. I saw someone compare it to when your Grandpa or someone like that comes in and snaps the belt to make the kids stop fighting, and I thought that was the perfect description of it." Funny thing is after Brad got hit by Tony, he backed into Danica (who was just minding her own business after wrecking herself after having a decent race before then) ran off like a little girl from Tony. But after Tony hit him, Tony didn't persue it further. He got his point across. I'm also willing too bet that Tonys spotter was giving him a blow-by-blow of what was going on behond him, so i'm sure Tony was watching his mirrors. Speaking of BSPN someone on another forum basically stated that NASCAR dserves too be treated like dirt because NASCAR has shown 'no loyality' towards BSPN. Well with that lack of 'loyality' then why did Brian France go back too BSPN in 2007? If NASCAR has a 'lack of loyality' too BSPN, then why did BSPN want out of its TV deal a year early? I'll bring up that 'loyality' word agian. While NASCAR isn't what it once was, NASCAR still has value. BSPN would rather defend "the shield" from its girlfriend/wife beaters, child beaters and drug users then cover a sport that does not have that and does not put up with that stuff. BSPN SportsCenter 'commentaters' actually have the nerve too laugh at Matt Kenseth wanting too bounce Bad Brads face off the ground calling it "road rage." 1. It is called emotion, something the other sports you cover seem too show. 2. NASCAR is a competition @$$holes. Emotions run high and sometimes things go apes**t. I seem too remember MLB, NFL, MBA haivng brawls too. But NASCAR gets made fun of? Oh really. NASCAR maybe "following the money" too NBC but BSPN is following the money protecting "the shield." I'm sure Dale Jarrett will bring TLabs last start, he raced against Terry for a long time. DJ will not let us down. BTW isn't always fun bashing BSPN? I always enjoy doing it. XD 636. Eric posted: 10.13.2014 - 7:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) CJS3872, It is true that Eric Green was the exception, not the rule. There is one thing you didn't look at. Eric Green was the player NFL Scouts looked at in terms of drafting future Tight Ends due to his size. Tight Ends getting drafted in the 260 pounds or higher was becoming more common around 1995. This a big deal since Eric Green went to the Pro Bowl in 1993 and 1994 at his weight. Eric Green was why the New York Jets drafted Kyle Brady with the 9 overall pick of the 1995 draft. Kyle Brady was a 6 foot 6 278 pound pound tight end. Kyle Brady wasn't the exception to the rule, but a new trend. In the mid 1990's, the NFL started to draft Tight Ends in the 260 pound range on a more common Basis. A good example is in the 1995 Draft Mark Bruener was drafted and he was 6 foot 4 and 260 pounds and this was the same draft with Kyle Brady being 278 pounds. David Sloan also come from the 1995 draft and was 260 pounds. In the 1996 draft Hunter Goodwin, and Jason Dunn played in the league for 8 and 12 seasons and they weighted 268 and 276 pounds. All though players I mentioned were drafted because of the Scouts desire having a tight end that is close to the size of an Eric Green. The fact is when Tony Gonzalez was drafted, he was not looked as a big tight end. Tony was drafted that high due to his athletic ability. In 1997, David LaFleur was drafted at 272 pounds in the first round after Tony Gonzalez was. The thing is Freddie Jones, O.J. Santiago, and Itula Mili were 260 or more pounds in the same draft as Tony Gonzalez and proves Eric Green's impact to the game in terms of size of a tight end. 637. Eric posted: 10.13.2014 - 7:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) CJS3872, The size of the linebackers started to change due to Levon Kirkland. He was 1 time all pro and 2 time pro bowler that weighed 270 pounds. The scouts wanted the next Levon Kirkland and you can say Levon had the impact as Eric Green did in terms of changing the standards in terms of a position. I know what Offensive Lineman and Deffensive were 25 years ago. I was a kid in 1987 and I remembered the size of the players. The Hogs were the standard like you mentioned. The Green Packer Teams of the late 1980's had Offensive lineman that were 268 pounds to 300 pounds. Tony Mandarich was the biggest Offensive linemen the Packers had in 1989 at 315 pounds. Green Bay had Defensive men in around the 270 pound range. The Packers didn't have the size as the Eagles did in the Defensive line in the late 1980's that had Reggie White, Jerome Brown, and Clyde Simmons had. 638. Chad's Hair Plugs posted: 10.13.2014 - 7:50 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "BSPN SportsCenter 'commentaters' actually have the nerve too laugh at Matt Kenseth wanting too bounce Bad Brads face off the ground calling it "road rage." Did it happen to be the two guys on there who used to work for WWE? It would seem to be fitting. Unfrtunately, Terry Labonte will only be shown if he's in the big one and maybe it'll be a passing mention before they go to the garage to show chase teams racing to fix their cars. But like someone else earlier posted, its tough to take the "last race" for some drivers for granted since they have so many last races and seasons. 639. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.13.2014 - 8:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (4) For the record, I meant to say I *didn't* want Brad to end up in the ICU a la Rudy T. Just a broken nose or orbital socket. Hell, maybe rearranging his face will make him less ugly. Ben, one word: Steroids. The NFL's testing process is a joke. Their frames can't handle all that weight. Now their Achilles' are snapping like twigs in an ice storm. And this is morbid, but look for manybof today's stars to die from enlarged hearts. Just look at all the wrestlers from the 80s who were jacked on roids that dropping like flies now. 640. Eric posted: 10.13.2014 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) There is something that can done with the weight of the Players in the NFL, but is something that the NFL teams and the Players Union doesn't want. I honest feel there needs to be a weight limit. The weight limit I have in mind really can't do nothing to many positions outside of the defensive and Offensive linemen. The weight limit can be enforced by having people not on NFL teams weight the players once ever 2 months. I think the Weight Limit needs to be 300 pounds. 641. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.13.2014 - 9:58 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I would've suggested removing Goodell in favor of a Commissioner who isn't going to take any crap from the players or the owners but I think it is painfully obvious to anyone who follows the NFL that the real people in charge of that organization are the outrageously rich team owners. 642. The Crimson King posted: 10.13.2014 - 10:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Goodell is a puppet. He only does what the owners want him to do. If the owners tell him to jump, Goodell asks "How high?" 643. HouseOfPenske posted: 10.13.2014 - 10:17 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) They should give Milka Duno and John Wrecks Clownley exemptions to run Talladega just to shake up the Chase drama a bit more. 644. JoeFan#8 posted: 10.13.2014 - 11:49 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Milka is in the Truck race, so that outta be interesting... 645. joey2448 posted: 10.14.2014 - 5:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Hey I'm not sure if it's been mentioned here or in the last few weeks, but does anyone have an explanation for the flared side skirts on some of the cars that I've seen in recent races? If you look at the right rear tire area on some of the cars (not all of them) you can see the corner of the fender is flared out, which seems to be an aerodynamic advantage. But is that something teams are doing during pit stops in the race? 646. TS1420 posted: 10.14.2014 - 9:04 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Hey I'm not sure if it's been mentioned here or in the last few weeks, but does anyone have an explanation for the flared side skirts on some of the cars that I've seen in recent races? If you look at the right rear tire area on some of the cars (not all of them) you can see the corner of the fender is flared out, which seems to be an aerodynamic advantage. But is that something teams are doing during pit stops in the race?" Yeah. Teams are pulling out the side skirts during pit-stops. And NASCAR's take on it weird because it is basically "Meh, who gives a ****". 647. Anonymous posted: 10.14.2014 - 9:25 am Rate this comment: (2) (0) Jamie McMurray has led more laps this season than 9 of the 16 Chasers. 648. racefangurl posted: 10.14.2014 - 10:16 am Rate this comment: (1) (1) They talk about a Chase spoiler and maybe it'll happen at 'Dega. 649. Anonymous posted: 10.14.2014 - 11:01 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Everyone was complaining about the 2's flared side skirt at Chicago, now every car has it. 650. Scott B posted: 10.14.2014 - 1:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) #620^ "Talladega Entry list: #21- Trevor Bayne #29- Front Row Joe #32- The Iceman, in his (supposed) final career start #66- Michael Waltrip (God save us all) #83- J.J. Yeley #87- Mike "The Forgotten" Wallace #95- Captain Jesus" Also: #12- Ryan Blaney #33- Travis Kvapil in for David Stremme #49- Mike Wallace, was #87, still a Jay Robinson Racing entry. Ryan Blaney, Mike Wallace and Joe Nemechek are the three who will have to qualify on speed. Blaney would seem like the obvious favorite of those three to make the field, but anything can happen. Also, it's possible that we might see a second consecutive race with no start and parks, if everything plays out just right. There were none at Charlotte. 651. racefangurl posted: 10.14.2014 - 3:00 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Captain Jesus is Michael McDowell, right? 652. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.14.2014 - 4:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Jamie McMurray has led more laps this season than 9 of the 16 Chasers." Goes too show that when Chase time comes, Jaime steps up too the plate. If he can ever make a Chase, dare i say he could win the whole thing? "And NASCAR's take on it weird because it is basically "Meh, who gives a ****"." Yeah, they shouldn't care. I'm suprised they cared when the Gen5 car was "crabbing" down the straightaways. According too the drivers, it made the cars handle better but gave away some driveability. Sam Hornishs car usually crabbed the most of anyone) 653. JP88 posted: 10.14.2014 - 4:29 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wait? So Tony Stewart gets a fine but not Denny or Matt... WTF? 654. murb posted: 10.14.2014 - 4:47 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm guessing they only fined Tony and Brad because they were the ones doing the most substantial race car contact after the race (though if they're going by that, then I don't really get why they didn't fine Denny, since he apparently got some shots in on Brad as well). I'm glad Matt wasn't penalized, because I think he showed his displeasure the RIGHT way (without using his car as a battering ram). I think this is just fine though. I'm glad they didn't park anyone or do something totally ridiculous. Hopefully now everyone will move on from this. 655. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.14.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I'm guessing they only fined Tony and Brad because they were the ones doing the most substantial race car contact after the race (though if they're going by that, then I don't really get why they didn't fine Denny, since he apparently got some shots in on Brad as well). I'm glad Matt wasn't penalized, because I think he showed his displeasure the RIGHT way (without using his car as a battering ram). I think this is just fine though. I'm glad they didn't park anyone or do something totally ridiculous. Hopefully now everyone will move on from this." I guess your in the minority, some people want Brad parked. Oh he'll be parked alright, when Hamlin or Kenseth get him at Martinsville. NASCAR just gave them the green light too wreck him there. 656. New14 & 88Fan posted: 10.14.2014 - 5:46 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I seriously don't get why Tony was fined and Denny wasn't. Smoke was just minding his own business and got caught up as an innocent bystander while Denny and Brad were acting like they were in a demolition derby. 657. Seagal posted: 10.14.2014 - 5:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I fully expected penalties to Kes and Stewart, but I'm surprised Denny and Matt were given nothing. I imagined Denny would get at least a $25k fine for his chase with Brad through the garage and that Matt would get a minor fine of $10k or so. He did man-handle Keselowski after all. However, I take serious issue when NASCAR media and personalities with a lot of clout spread false information. Matt Weaver and TheOrangeCone twitter personality both claim Kenseth threw punches when the video shows no such thing taking place. And all the fans who were applauding Kenseth's actions over the weekend seem to have turned on him today. Typical NASCAR fans. They want emotion and then get outraged when they see it. 658. David posted: 10.14.2014 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Matt Weaver and TheOrangeCone twitter personality both claim Kenseth threw punches when the video shows no such thing taking place." Lest anyone misinterpret this, The Orange Cone didn't see the need for any penalties. 659. Seagal posted: 10.14.2014 - 6:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Lest anyone misinterpret this, The Orange Cone didn't see the need for any penalties." @TheOrangeCone Punching Casey Mears: fine. Tackling Brad Keselowski and punching him in the mouth: no fine. Besides being false, this tweet tells me he expected fines as a matter of consistency. 660. Scott B posted: 10.14.2014 - 6:25 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Captain Jesus is Michael McDowell, right?" Yes. Not my nickname for him, I just cut & pasted that one. :) He's a pretty good restrictor plate racer, too. 661. Scott B posted: 10.14.2014 - 6:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm OK with Matt not being penalized, but if the fines were about keeping a safe environment, I don't understand how Denny gets off free. I didn't expect anyone to be parked or have points deducted, so no surprise there. 662. Scott B posted: 10.14.2014 - 6:43 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I guess your in the minority, some people want Brad parked. Oh he'll be parked alright, when Hamlin or Kenseth get him at Martinsville. NASCAR just gave them the green light too wreck him there." Maybe, but it's Brad who's going to be in the position of having nothing to lose very soon unless he wins this week, as far as escalating things or letting it go. 663. joey2448 posted: 10.14.2014 - 7:44 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Racefangurl give me your digits girl ;)" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! As for today's penalties, I'm fine with them, except I don't understand why Denny Hamlin didn't also get a (small) fine. I would think he should've gotten a slap on the wrist for chasing Kez through the garage area. That was just dangerous with all the fans, media members and crew members walking around. Also, who knows of the best site to stream the races? I'm not gonna be around TV next weekend, but I really wanna watch Dega on Sunday... 664. cjs3872 posted: 10.14.2014 - 8:19 pm Rate this comment: (1) (4) The penalties assessed by NASCAR, and who they were assessed to, shows that those that hand out the penalties seem to be as blind as baseball umpires on occasion, because they evidently didn't see what everyone else saw. As I said a couple of days ago, Tony Stewart did nothing at all that was worth any kind of punishment, and yet he got fined $25,000 when the two JGR drivers, who should have been significantly punished (especially Matt Kenseth), were not sanctioned at all. Even Brad Keselowski, who was given the harshest punishment, was not dealt with nearly hard enough by NASCAR. If it were me, I would have given Brad Keselowski a P4-level penalty ($50,000-$70,000 fine and 25 points) and Matt Kenseth a P3-level penalty ($25,000-$50,000 and 15 points), at the very least, and maybe upped the penalties to P5-level for Keselowski (about $100,000 and 50 points, but no suspension) and P4-level ($50,000-$70,000, 25 points, and a possible 1-race suspension) for Kenseth. There's no room in the sport for what either of those two did after the race, and both drivers should have been dealt with much, much harshly. I would have fined Denny Hamlin at least $20,000, and maybe as much as $40,000, but not taken any points away because of what he and Keselowski did on the track after the race, and Tony Stewart would not have been penalized at all. Incidents like this prove again why NASCAR needs a true commissioner that oversees everything, shows no bias for or against anyone, and is the one true authority over the entire sport. I know a true high commissioner would have come down much harder than NASCAR did on this softball penalty. NASCAR needs to grow some teeth and come down much harder on this kind of action. And as I said, what Kenseth did in and around the haulers is actually worthy of a criminal investigation by Charlotte's finest, because that was an assault against Brad worthy of possible jail time. You can't run at full speed and run into a guy like that. Had he knocked Brad into one of the haulers, he could have seriously injured him with that football block or tackle, and that's what it was, a football block or tackle. I would penalize Brad more because he was guilty of doing more stuff than Kenseth did, and against ore drivers, but both should have been punished very harshly, and once again, NASCAR dropped the ball because they have nobody who functions like a true commissioner. If they had, much harsher pemalties would have been assessed against Keselowski and Kenseth, the latter of whom didn't receive any penalty at all. 665. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.14.2014 - 8:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Maybe, but it's Brad who's going to be in the position of having nothing to lose very soon unless he wins this week, as far as escalating things or letting it go." Actually Hamlin is in the habit of not letting things go. If Brad does not let it go then neither will Hamlin. 666. Seagal posted: 10.14.2014 - 8:25 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Cjs, you and your ramblings are absurd. Thankfully you don't run NASCAR. 667. TS1420 posted: 10.14.2014 - 8:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Wait. The most "innocent" guy in this whole ordeal (responding to a hit he did nothing to deserve with a once-and-done hit of his own at like 5mph) gets fined and but on probation, but the guy that continued the demolition derby in to the garage area and the guy that actually got physical get nothing? Typical NASCAR. 668. cjs3872 posted: 10.14.2014 - 8:58 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'm not sure you could pay me enough money to run NASCAR (or any other entity), Seagal. But if someone with my way of thinking did, things would get cleaned up in a hurry, because there would be very little, if any tolerance for something like what happened Saturday night, because a clear message would be sent to everyone involved that what happened will not be tolerated. NASCAR often gets it's signals crossed when it comes to levying penalties, because they're iron-fisted when it comes to technical infractions, as they should be, but they should rule with an equally hard hand when it comes to situations like what happened Saturday night. Trust me, if I were the commissioner of NASCAR, there would be many, many things I would change in how races are run (too many to mention), and penalties for something like what took place Saturday night would be as harsh to the drivers as technical rules infractions are to the owners, crew chiefs, and car chiefs. And although you couldn't pay me enough to do the job, NASCAR does need a true commissioner that will actually lay down the law in a fair, but harsh manner, because it certainly wasn't laid down at all in this mess, and nor was it fairly met out. Tony Stewart gets fined $25,000 for essentially doing nothing and Matt Kenseth gets no penalty at all for doing something that lands most people in jail? That's utterly absurd. 669. mowman posted: 10.14.2014 - 9:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) cjs why don't you just admit it that you don't like JGR and Toyotas. The biggest abuser got away with a $50,000 slap on the wrist. 670. Canadianfan posted: 10.14.2014 - 9:44 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Try WizWig Joey 671. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.14.2014 - 9:45 pm Rate this comment: (7) (1) Where in the hell was everyone at when Marcos punched Casey Mears in the face (and give him a shiner too)? I do not remember a criminal investigation going on there. But Matt Kenseth deserves one for a bear hug? I think we have entered the Twilight Zone. 672. murb posted: 10.14.2014 - 9:54 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Just saw a pic of Terry's scheme for this weekend. Totally epic. It's a three way combination of his first ever Cup car, the Piedmont #44 car, and the Kellogg's car. Hopefully he'll get some screen time with it. 673. Db1995 posted: 10.14.2014 - 9:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "responding to a hit he did nothing to deserve with a once-and-done hit of his own at like 5mph)" I think he was going a lot more than 5 MPH, 5 Mph doesnt do that much damage, Brads car looked like he was in a full on collision on track after Tony hit him. 674. cjs3872 posted: 10.14.2014 - 10:02 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) I agree that Brad got by with virtually a slap on the wrist, @669, because I think he should have been given a penalty equal to a P4 or even P5 penalty, meaning a fine up to $100,000 and a points penalty of 25-50 points. I think we're on the same line of thinking here. But Matt Kenseth should have been hit almost with almost as big a penalty, possibly in the P3-P4 range, and his body block of Keselowski in the garage area could very easily have resulted in a 1-race suspension, and should have netted a fine of $50,000-$75,000 and a points penalty of between 15-25 points, not to mention a possible criminal inquiry by Charlotte's finest. And I think Denny Hamlin should also have been fined for what happened on the cool-down lap, but not for anything that took place in the garage area afterwards, but the fine would not be any more than about $20,000 in this case, and Tony Stewart did nothing to deserve any kind of penalty. The penalty to Stewart was bogus and Hamlin didn't deserve any more than a slap on the wrist, but Keselowski and Kenseth should have both been hit with huge penalties, including substantial points penalties. 675. Seagal posted: 10.14.2014 - 10:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Joey, VIP Box is good as well. Just X out of the pop-ups. 676. cjs3872 posted: 10.14.2014 - 10:15 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) And Marcos deserved a huge penalty for that, 1995 Subaru, because there's no place for that in the sport. The penalty I think Kenseth should have been given for what happened after the race Saturday night should also have been given to Ambrose for that. But the fact that Ambrose was given little more than a slap on the wrist for that, and Kenseth was given nothing at all shows the lack of consistency, possibly because of the star power Kenseth has, especially compared to Ambrose. And all punishments should be handled evenly, no matter who the driver is. 677. joey2448 posted: 10.15.2014 - 12:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) As cool as that car looks, I'm just having a hard time believing that this will be Terry's final race, after he did the same thing at Texas in Nov. 2006. I love the car, and I will always cheer for the Iceman, but how do we know he won't just show up at Daytona next February? 678. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.15.2014 - 12:48 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) "Matt Kenseth gets no penalty at all for doing something that lands most people in jail?" That's not true. Things like that happen every day and the VAST, VAST, VAST majority of people never spend a day in jail for it. Especially if it happens between two members of the same sex. Weren't there ever fights when you were in school? How many of those had police involvement? Heck, I went to a Catholic and there were still 2 or 3 a year, but none ever got law enforcement involved. Do you think the Allisons and Cale Yarborough should have been criminally investigated in 1979? 679. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.15.2014 - 12:50 am Rate this comment: (3) (0) Also, let's not forget, that one of the seminal moments for NASCAR was a fight. It's hard to give any weight to anyone who says that there is no place for that in the sport, when the beginning of NASCAR's integration into the mainstream of society began with a fight. 680. Hinch77 posted: 10.15.2014 - 7:33 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The real question that me and everyone at RacersReunion want answered: why didn't Denny get penalized for leading a vehicle chase through the garage area? 681. cjs3872 posted: 10.15.2014 - 7:43 am Rate this comment: (0) (4) Zack, there's a big difference between what happened after the 1979 Daytona 500 and what Matt Kenseth did to Brad Keselowski after the race at Charlotte. First, what happened in the infield after the '79 Daytona 500 was, by no means, premeditated. There was an argument that led to that fight as a result of the two incidents they were involved in that day, the one on lap 32 (when Bobby Allison nearly sent brother Donnie flipping down the backstretch and Cale was an innocent victim) and the one on the final lap, so that fight was not a premeditated thing at all. What Kenseth did in the garage area after the race was definitely premeditated. Not to mention that what Kenseth did could have caused real and significant injuries to Brad Keselowski. That's why I think that what Kenseth did could very easily have led to a criminal investigation, if Charlotte's finest really wanted to look into it. Not only was there the body block, but also the fact that there was intent involved. Kenseth deliberately looked for and went after Brad in the area of the haulers, and then threw that body block. It doesn't get any more deliberate than that. The fight after the '79 Daytona 500 simply was the result of a heated argument as a result of two incidents that took place between the same three parties that day. 682. cjs3872 posted: 10.15.2014 - 7:57 am Rate this comment: (0) (1) Good question, Hinch77. However, the penalties I think should have been levied against Hamlin have more to do with what he and Keselowski did in the turn three area on the cool down lap than anything that may, or may not have been seen in the garage area after the race. But I believe a fine of between $20,000-$40,000 (but no points penalties) for Hamlin (P2 range penalties) was in order. But penalties in the P3-P4 range ($40,000-$70,000, 15-25 points, and possibly a 1-race suspension) were in order for Matt Kenseth and penalties in the P4-P5 range ($50,000-$100,000, 25-50 points, and possibly a 1-race suspension) were in order for Keselowski for what happened after the race. Harsh penalties, yes they would be, but the law has to be laid down, and it clearly wasn't here. And Tony Stewart should never have been penalized. In fact, he's done worse things in his 16 years in NASCAR's highest series for which he has not been penalized. 683. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.15.2014 - 8:24 am Rate this comment: (2) (5) Enough with these debates about whether or not these 4 schmucks who have never inspired anyone to do anything positive, let alone became the voice of a generation, let's talk about something important: On this day, 25 years ago, we had The Great Wilkesboro Incident Of Eighty Nine. A week after losing the points lead for the 1989 Winston Cup when his camshaft snapped 20 miles into the 500 mile Charlotte race, they went to run the rescheduled North Wilkesboro race on an unseasonably warm mid October day in the mountains. Dale started on the pole since he was the points leader at the time the race was supposed to happen. And he led 350 laps of the 400. He had a huge lead late when somebody spun setting up a 3 lap dash for glory with Ricky Rudd on his bumper. Most importantly, the new Winston Cup points leader, Rusty Wallace was languishing in 7th place. A max points day would put Dale back in the driver's seat and put the pressure squarely on the young Wallace (for the times of course). The rest is history. Ricky got a great restart and got under Dale. So Dale moved up to the second lane on the one groove 5/8 mile classic short track. And he was holding him off because he was Dale Earnhardt and Ricky wasn't. So they take the white flag heading downhill towards Turn 1 and Ricky realizes, despite having the preferred groove, Dale was gonna beat him. Again. Yet another super clutch Earnhardt win to claim a Winston Cup was 22 seconds away from happening. Ho hum. But then Ricky, for God knows what reason, dove to the inside pit wall on the front stretch. He then drove straight into Turn 1, right in Dale's door. They both spun cause Ricky can't even properly rattle somebody's cage. Dale finished 10th after dominating, losing points to Rusty, and was PISSED. For the only time in his career, he went after somebody after the race (after their cars were parked of course, and with his helmet off). After being led to his hauler, he emerged in street clothes (with a curious light purple shirt, but it was still the 80s after all) and summed it up. "I give him the entire bottom lane and he knocked the shit out of me". He then called Ricky a "son of bitch". This led to the most insincere apology ever the next week before Rockingham. In the aftermath, Dale lost the 1989 Winston Cup by 12 points. Seeing as how Rusty handled the pressure down the stretch, putting himself in position to be wrecked mid race by a nobody at Phoenix and then having phantom flat tires in the finale at Atlanta before enough cars blew engines to give Rusty enough points, I think a dominating win at Wilkesboro would have done Rusty in. Just like Dale did to Mark one year later. This, in the end, cost Dale the distinction of being the only 8 time Cup champ, and the second ever man to win 3 straight titles ('89-'91). He is still undeniably the greatest ever (all his success was during NASCAR's most stacked era). But this day prevented a perfect 8-0 record in years he was in the championship hunt late. 10.15.1989. Never forget. 684. Hinch77 posted: 10.15.2014 - 10:13 am Rate this comment: (2) (1) ^DSFF, I am by no means in favor of any US involvement in the Middle East. I have no stance on who or what was the force behind 9/11 (US, Taliban, Illuminati, the penguins of Antarctica, etc.)... But the line you ended your post with is an utter insult and disgrace to those innocent people who lost their lives on September 11, 2001. 9.11.01. Never forget. 685. Anonymous posted: 10.15.2014 - 11:53 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Does Hinch77 use that name on RacersReunion or another name? I think I've heard of that site through racefansforever, which I discovered through jayski.com 686. racefangurl posted: 10.15.2014 - 12:12 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I saw it somewhere Johnson's elimination would be more popular than Jr.'s. Last time, Jr. won at 'Dega he said s*** in his interview. I can't watch any ESPN because it's cable TV. I'll follow the race on RaceTrax, which is what I do when a Cup race is on a cable channel. 687. Hinch77 posted: 10.15.2014 - 12:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) No, this is not my RacersReunion name. I use a different name that is secret :) 688. Anonymous posted: 10.15.2014 - 1:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) RacersReunion has been mentioned on racefansforever. I checked and I remembered right. 689. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.15.2014 - 1:05 pm Rate this comment: (1) (2) Ugh, another tragic case of Epic Butthurt from Hinch. Bad deal for all involved. 10.14.2014. Never Forget 690. Hinch77 posted: 10.15.2014 - 3:16 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) ^I wonder if this is strong enough grounds to get someone charged with "Anti-American activities," because you are disgraceful. I get the laugh out of 10.15.89. since last I checked Ricky whooped Dale's ass on the track and was about to whoop his ass in the pits before the RCR crew saved him. Ricky Rudd is the meanest son of a b!tch to ever set a wheel on the track. 691. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.15.2014 - 3:32 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Dale had more wins in a 4 year period ('87-'90, only 29 race seasons) than Ricky had in his entire career. I like Ricky, and have a ton of respect for him. But on that day, that was one of the dumbest dive bombs ever. It never had a prayer. He just took himself and Dale, who was in a championship battle, out. 692. murb posted: 10.15.2014 - 3:49 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) "Not to mention that what Kenseth did could have caused real and significant injuries to Brad Keselowski." You can't be serious. He practically gave Brad a noogie. And premeditated? You act like Matt grabbed a kitchen knife and showed up at Brad's house at 4:00 in the morning. I agree with you in that Nascar continues to be completely incompetent when it comes to giving out penalties, but I don't understand why you think what Matt did was so bad. As I've said a couple of times already, I wish EVERYBODY would do what he did when they are mad. It's a hell of a lot more safe than ramming each other on pit road and using the race cars as weapons. I'll take these drivers putting each other into headlocks and throwing a couple punches then full on pit road contact and driving haphazardly after the race any day. 693. murb posted: 10.15.2014 - 3:52 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually, that should have said "inconsistent" instead of "incompetent". I actually agree with how they penalized the drivers in this situation, but they continue to be wildly inconsistent with what actions warrant penalties and whatnot. 694. Hinch77 posted: 10.15.2014 - 4:03 pm Rate this comment: (3) (0) OK, DSFF, you've embarrassed yourself enough for one day. Now go home, turn off the computer, drink a beer, and enjoy MLB Playoffs. 695. The Crimson King posted: 10.15.2014 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I honestly forget Baseball playoffs were even happening... shows how much I care about MLB. 696. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.15.2014 - 6:52 pm Rate this comment: (6) (6) I access this site through my phone. The only time I use my computer to go on the internet anymore is to watch porn. 697. Hinch77 posted: 10.15.2014 - 6:56 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) ^Now that you have thoroughly destroyed all auspices of your character... 698. cjs3872 posted: 10.15.2014 - 8:57 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) You're right on both counts, murb. Inconsistent and incompetent. They've been both inconsistent on their penalties and often times incompetent in handing them out, as well. And this episode may have captured that best of all, because they were too light on their penalties to Brad, penalized Tony Stewart when he di nothing to merit a penalty, and failed to penalize Matt Kenseth at all, when he should have been harshly dealt with. and yes, what Matt did was clearly premeditated. When you run more than the length of a football field (possibly even two football fields) to go after someone and put a body block on him, it doesn't get any more premeditated than that. And yes, he could have injured Brad had he slammed him into one of the haulers, or if Brad's head would have hit the asphalt between the haulers. And DSFF, Ricky Rudd was trying to win that race at North Wilkesboro in 1989, and the only way he could have done that was to try to divebomb Earnhardt entering turn one, because had he gotten alongside Earnhardt, Earnhardt would have run him right into the pit wall, which is what he was trying to do at any rate Earnhardt was notorious for running guys off the track when the tried to make a late move on him (remember the 1987 All-Star Race, when he ran both Bill Elliott and Terry Labonte off the track when they tried to pass him). Rudd knew that as well, so he was going to surprise Earnhardt by divebombing him, and it didn't work. The Earnhardt of later years (the mid-90s and later) would likely have given Rudd the bottom under the same set of circumstances, realizing that winning the race was not as important as winning the championship was. But Earnhardt was not as smart a racer in 1989 as he would become in later years. 699. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.15.2014 - 9:07 pm Rate this comment: (1) (3) Still, plain and simple, that was a situation that was never gonna work, much like running the 1973 Indianapolis 500 under those conditions. But then again, sometimes championships are just fate. Much like, had they held Super Bowl 42 at a historical venue such as the LA Coliseum where the '72 Dolphins clinched the only perfect season in the Super Bowl era, then the Pats would have won and gone 19-0 even though the indoor elements and perfectly manicured flat playing surface of The Toaster played to their advantage (or would have if the Giants defense didn't use Brady as a tackling cone all night). 700. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.15.2014 - 9:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) CJS you take things way too seriously you need to lighten up dude. 701. cjs3872 posted: 10.15.2014 - 10:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I can't disagree with you there, DSFF. Like the move Clint Bowyer tried on Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson at Martinsville in 2012, it was a move that was never going to work. But Rudd was trying to win the race, and believed that Earnhardt wouldn't try to cut him off because of the higher stakes Earnhardt was racing for, and proved to be about as wrong about that as he was about any racing move he ever tried to make. But many people have said in the 25 years since that what happened at the end of that race cost Earnhardt the championship, and the plain truth is, that's not true. Remember that Earnhardt dropped out of the race at Charlotte on the 13th lap with a broken camshaft, and was saddled with a last place finish. But also, let's not forget about what happened to Rusty at Phoenix when he had a shot to clinch early. He was leading and was taken out by Stan Barrett, or he might have clinched a race early. And lost in all that was the fact that, entering the final race of the season, Earnhardt was actually THIRD in the points standings, as Mark Martin had actually taken second in the standings from Earnhardt and had a real shot at the title himself, but had engine trouble in that race, which Earnhardt thoroughly dominated from the word "go". 702. joey2448 posted: 10.15.2014 - 11:37 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Man, can you guys believe that tomorrow (Thursday) will be three years since Dan Wheldon was killed? I still ache thinking about it. I'll be thinking about him and his family/friends tomorrow. 703. The Crimson King posted: 10.15.2014 - 11:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Don't remind me of Wheldon's death. I'm still waiting for the unfortunate news of Bianchi to turn bad. 704. RCRandPenskeGuy posted: 10.15.2014 - 11:50 pm Rate this comment: (2) (0) I just can't believe how a driver can work his way up to the Cup Series by hard racing and earning the good equipment he has can just convert and blend in with the rest of the divas of the sport (even though he was victim to their entitled attitudes when he first came into Cup) once he has quite a bit of success. But enough regarding that, we all know by this point that NASCAR is inconsistent with fines. 705. joey2448 posted: 10.15.2014 - 11:54 pm Rate this comment: (1) (1) cjs, I still don't see why you believe Keselowski's failed move to hit Hamlin in turn three on the cooldown lap was worse than the chase those two had in the garage area. There were people all around -- fans, crew members, media members etc. -- that could've been and probably were in danger. You can't go after somebody with your car in the garage area. Plain and simple. Out on the track (at pacecar speed, of course) presents a much safer scenario. Once again, DSFF is on FIYAH tonight! Hahaha great posts, dude! (although I don't exactly agree with you 100 percent that the Rooster was to blame for the Great Wilkesboro Incident of 89...) Once more thing -- does anyone feel like that racefangurl talks to herself on this site? I'll be reading the comments, following a hilarious discussion between Hinch77 and DSFF, and suddenly there's a random post by racefangurl that has nothing to do with the current timeline of posts. 706. The Long Shot posted: 10.16.2014 - 12:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Once more thing -- does anyone feel like that racefangurl talks to herself on this site? I'll be reading the comments, following a hilarious discussion between Hinch77 and DSFF, and suddenly there's a random post by racefangurl that has nothing to do with the current timeline of posts." Lol...very astute observation. Her comments are certainly...unique to say the least. Hearing rumors that in addition to fielding a Truck full-time for Erik Jones, KBM will bring back their Nationwide program next year after a one-season hiatus, running a full-time car for, get ready for this, C.J. Faison. Talk about dark horses to get a top-tier ride. 707. The Crimson King posted: 10.16.2014 - 2:34 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Also, since we're talking about old Nascar races from the 80's, I have to admit I was born too late to catch a lot of these races (I got into Nascar in the early 00's). Are these races availible on the internet? Once the season ends I'll probably end up watching them to make up for the fact that there won't be any racing. Plus the Falcons suck this year (Awful defense and the entire o-line is on IR). 708. Hinch77 posted: 10.16.2014 - 4:58 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Man, can you guys believe that tomorrow (Thursday) will be three years since Dan Wheldon was killed? I still ache thinking about it. I'll be thinking about him and his family/friends tomorrow." It aches me to think about... I had watched IndyCar for 6+ years. The morning of the 2011 Indy 500, I looked at the drivers in the race and told my mother that I wanted there to be a first time winner that day, and if a repeat winner had to win, I wanted it to be Dan. I had pulled for him the previous two years at Panther even though he wasn't my official "favorite." Dan delivered, and when the rumor first came that he was replacing Danica at AAR, he was officially my favorite. Kentucky came and went, and then Las Vegas shat in the water on me. How appropriate is it that Hinch replaced Dan at AAR, and now he is going to drive for Sam Schmidt, the man who Dan drove for in the last two races of his life? 709. joey2448 posted: 10.16.2014 - 7:10 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Are these races availible on the internet?" This is a good place to start: http://thenascararchive.blogspot.com/ 710. cjs3872 posted: 10.16.2014 - 10:18 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) From who's perspective, joey2448 (#705)? Denny Hamlin's or Brad Keselowski's? I say that Keselowski should have been dealt with the harshest because of a combination of all the things he did after the race (the incident with Hamlin on the backstretch, running into Matt Kesneth and Tony Stewart on pit lane, and the burnouts in the garage area). The only thing I know of that I think Hamlin should be fined for is that incident on the backstretch with Keselowski. Now if Hamlin did chase Keselowski with his car in the garage area, then we're talking about something more serious, and Hamlin should then be fined what Keselowski was eventually fined. (Remember, I think that Keselowski should have been given P4-P5 level penalties, including a fine of $75,000-$100,000, a loss of 25-50 championship points, and possibly even a 1-race suspension.) But Hamlin should not have been dealt with nearly as harshly as Kenseth should have been dealt with, and while I disagree with the fact that Hamlin got no penalty, I can see why NASCAR didn't penalize Hamlin, because his actions, while worthy of a penalty, were by no means egregious. But what Kenseth did at the haulers crossed way over the line, and should have been dealt with very harshly. Of course, if he did chase Keselowski through the garage area, then he should have been dealt with firmly. And Keselowski should have been dealt with very harshly (much more than he was) because of the totality of what he did after the race, and Stewart should not have been penalized at all. 711. racefangurl posted: 10.16.2014 - 10:19 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Maybe I'm trying to start a new discussion with someone. I say what's on my mind in regard to NASCAR or more recently Bianchi. I'm mad at Bad Brad for doing burnouts in the garage right now. And wondering who will cause the Big One when at Talladega. If my comments are unique, it's because I am. I know I'm quirky, but everyone has their quirks, so I've heard. Bianchi's just a little older than me, about three months actually. I'll be 25 next month. I know motorsports can kill, but we (my family) hope he won't die. I had a classmate born the same month as him. I'm unable to watch F1, usually, due to the no cable TV or NBC at home thing or when it's on. If it overlaps in time with a NASCAR race, I'm too busy watching or checking that, depending on what channel NASCAR's on. If F1's on Sunday morning, I'm sleeping, if it's really early or not home, if the start time's like 10:45, say. 712. The Crimson King posted: 10.16.2014 - 3:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Nascar and F1 rarely overlap, due to when F1 races are on. Most of the time you have to get up early in the morning to watch an F1 race over in Americaland. @709 wow, that's an incredible resource! Bookmarked! 713. racefangurl posted: 10.16.2014 - 5:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I was just saying if that ever happened. Ok, it's rare. 714. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.16.2014 - 8:09 pm Rate this comment: (4) (0) Three years ago was a bad day. I wasn't watching that race, but I saw an article online saying Dan was in a big crash and was being airlifted to the hospital. I tuned in to see what was going on, just in time to see Dan had been pronounced dead. Outside of Memorial Day Sunday I never followed Indy Car, but with Dan having his biggest success period during the glory days of SPEED, I knew he was a champion and winner on track, and even more of one off the track. I always got to see interviews of him and his contemporaries. Death in racing never gets easier. It actually gets harder. All the past tragedies seem to come back at once on top of the current one. Suddenly I was a 9 year old kid again on my Dad's 40th birthday tuning in to the late news and hearing Alan Kulwicki died in a plane crash. Suddenly I am still 9, on Summer Break, hearing Davey Allison was pronounced dead from his helicopter crash the previous day. Suddenly I am 16 again, indestructible and knowing everything, hearing Adam Petty, a teenager like myself, was dead. Suddenly I am still 16, on Summer Break again, still an expert on everything, and I hear Kenny Irwin has died in the exact spot as Adam. Suddenly, I am still 16, and it is February 2001, and I am watching Mike Helton tell us we lost Dale. And on this day 3 years ago, all this was coming back to me as a 27 year old, wiser, finally realizing I don't know everything, with that old familiar gnawing in my stomach and my brain racing a million miles per hour trying to process it. Trying to let it sink in such a nice guy was gone. There is just something about death in racing. Obviously death is everywhere in life and nearly impossible to cope with for anyone. But in racing, death is so far in the forefront. It is a part of it that cannot be avoided talking about. We constantly fear it and think about for the racers. And when it happens, there is just something about it. Despite everybody knowing the risk and very real possibility, we try to think we can deal with it. But the truth is we can't. 715. Baker posted: 10.17.2014 - 12:57 am Rate this comment: (1) (5) Everyone is in for the biggest let down of all time Sunday. Jimmie Johnson is going to have a rocket ship for a car that will be unchallengeable. He'll get out front early and dominate the entire race. He'll have so much more horsepower than the next guy they won't even be able to gang up and draft around him to make sure his threat is gone. They won't even be able to get to his bumper. I'm you guys do know this right? 716. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.17.2014 - 5:47 am Rate this comment: (1) (3) Unfortunately Baker is absolutely right. This is Brian France's NASCAR. Feel good moments? Look somewhere else. If you think JJ will be eliminated on Sunday, I'm afraid I've got some bad news. 717. Hinch77 posted: 10.17.2014 - 6:54 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I think honestly Hendrick could throw the entire team behind Jimmie (even having Junior, Jeff, and Kahne drive solely to give Jimmie draft and block the cars behind), but except for Daytona Hendrick's plate program has been lackluster this year. Both his Talladega wins came from him betraying a teammate and pulling an unannounced switcheraoo on the teammate he was pushing (Vickers in 2006, Junior in 2011). Junior needs the win too, so I don't see him helping Jimmie, and Kahne and Gordon have pretty well shown that they won't help Jimmie either. I say no Hendrick car wins on Sunday, though Gordon will advance. 718. racefangurl posted: 10.17.2014 - 9:47 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Will Talladega have a Chase spoiler or is it too unpredictable to say either way? I could see it and I even hope there is a spoiler :). 719. Scott B posted: 10.17.2014 - 10:50 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) The two Chip Ganassi drivers (Jamie McMurray and Kyle Larson) could be legitimate threats to win Sunday, along with a few other non-chase drivers. 720. racefangurl posted: 10.17.2014 - 11:11 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Maybe some plate ace not in the Chase could win. A few other non-Chase drivers means these drivers to me. 'Dega seems to be the best chance of a spoiler to me, due to the nature of plate races. Kyle Larson's a rookie that could win a race before the year's over. I know it's happened before, a rookie winning at a plate track. No matter who wins, I won't be upset over that. If one or more of my favorites got wrecked or had car trouble of some sort, I wouldn't be too happy about that. 721. Sean posted: 10.17.2014 - 12:21 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I know it's happened before, a rookie winning at a plate track." Not often. In fact, Greg Biffle's fuel-mileage Daytona win in 2003 was technically the only time it ever happened since the restrictor-plate era began in 1988 (yes, I know plates were briefly used in the '70s). Brad Keselowski wasn't an official rookie in 2009, nor was Trevor Bayne in 2011 (since Bayne's official rookie season will be next year). I loved Dan Wheldon but I do kind of wonder why he was Hinch's favorite considering he constantly trashes Kanaan's talent when he's really the same sort of driver (one of the best on the ovals and slightly above mediocre on the road courses...) 722. The Long Shot posted: 10.17.2014 - 12:33 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) On the topic of Wheldon: I just read that apparently Greg Moore's father, Ric Moore, was in attendance for that fateful race, the first CART/IRL/IndyCar race he had attended since his son's death. How horrible that must have been for him. 723. racefangurl posted: 10.17.2014 - 12:39 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So, officially it happened once, but unofficially it happened 3 times. Either way it's rare. I guess I went by plate race winners with a yellow stripe on the rear. I think I remember Hinch claiming to be autistic, so if this is true that could explain he liked Wheldon and trashes Kanaan. Or maybe he liked Wheldon because of who he was a person and Kanaan's personality may not appeal in the way. I remember someone comparing Wheldon and Ambrose. 724. Sean posted: 10.17.2014 - 1:24 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "I think I remember Hinch claiming to be autistic, so if this is true that could explain he liked Wheldon and trashes Kanaan." What would that have to do with it? I have Asperger's Syndrome and while I liked Wheldon better, I certainly respect Kanaan's talent (but recognize that drivers like Dario Franchitti and Scott Dixon and Sebastien Bourdais and Ryan Hunter-Reay who were equally dominant on both types of tracks are superior... I'd probably take Will Power over both of them too, but he is largely the mirror image of Kanaan/Wheldon - great on the road courses and slightly above mediocre on the ovals, but I think he is better on the ovals than Wheldon/Kanaan were on the road courses.) 725. racefangurl posted: 10.17.2014 - 1:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Sean, I got accused of being born without a hypothalamus and said I wasn't, but I have Asperger's and then Hinch, Schroeder51 and someone else claimed similar things. Hinch said "autism spectrum" and the others claimed to be like me. If autism spectrum can't explain it, the personality thing's the answer, perhaps. Or maybe it's just something Hinch can't quite explain. It's hard to know. He may have his reasons. 726. JP88 posted: 10.17.2014 - 2:55 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Everyone is in for the biggest let down of all time Sunday. Jimmie Johnson is going to have a rocket ship for a car that will be unchallengeable. He'll get out front early and dominate the entire race. He'll have so much more horsepower than the next guy they won't even be able to gang up and draft around him to make sure his threat is gone. They won't even be able to get to his bumper. I'm you guys do know this right?" No it will be worse than this. Jimmie will be quiet the whole day, get lucky to miss multiple wrecks and then the win will fall right into his lap in a race he had no business winning. I still remember the IndyCar race that Sunday. I was watching football and didn't really want to even see any part of the race because I feared something bad happening. I thought from day 1 that they announced it that it was a horrible idea and after hearing how the drivers complain that whole week + the addition of more cars, I knew something bad was gonna happen. A buddy who didn't watch racing texted me and said "did you see that crash." Right there I knew if I turned in I was going to be looking at a potentially fatal accident. Unfortunately I was right. 727. Hinch77 posted: 10.17.2014 - 3:17 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I didn't realize my personal life was supposed to be hung in the breeze... There was just something likeable about Danny Boy. You never read horror stories about Dan being a jerk off the camera like you read about Kanaan. He wasn't the biggest ham on the camera, because his behavior on the camera was a truer reflection of who he was off the camera. He's kind of like Trevor Bayne (yes, I am using Trevor as the positive example just for you racefangurl) in that he was always considered a solid driver who was just there to race, win, and not make enemies. In short, I think Kanaan is a fake much in the same vein Sean thinks Helio is a fake. 728. Sean posted: 10.17.2014 - 3:27 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "In short, I think Kanaan is a fake much in the same vein Sean thinks Helio is a fake." Fair enough (Kanaan isn't even one of my favorites; Josef Newgarden is my favorite) but even though I think Castroneves is overrated I wouldn't say he flat out sucks like you did about Kanaan after last year's Indy 500, and judging drivers' talents based on whether you like their personalities or not is wrong. For instance, I like Hinchcliffe a great deal personally but think he's a bit overrated. I couldn't stand Dario in his later years and I'm tired of Will Power but they still deserved their hype (even though 4 titles and 3 Indy 500s is greater than what I think Dario's actual talent level merited...) 729. BluesTravelerFan posted: 10.17.2014 - 3:31 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I don't want to sound corny, but it warms my heart so much to see some of you guys so openly and honestly talking about their Aspergers recently( or High Functioning Autism, the "experts" don't like to use Aspergers anymore) as a fellow member of the club. I have even more respect for Schroeder51, Sean, and racefangurl now. Never let anyone tell you just because of a certain condition you may have you can't still fly:) 730. 1995 Subaru WRX STi posted: 10.17.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Denny Hamlin has something too say: he said that Brad does not deserve a stiffer penalty and that he didn't ram in garage area, just boxed him in. Come one Denny, you are just saying that so you can wreck him at Martinsville. Tell us who you really feel ;-) 731. cjs3872 posted: 10.17.2014 - 6:20 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I know there are those that have mentioned the Dan Wheldon crash at Las Vegas, in which it was a miracle that Wheldon was the only driver killed, because that crash could have killed as many as four drivers (because four cars got into the catch fencing in that crash). What many don't remember about that particular weekend was that Jimmie Johnson had a pretty serious head-on crash in the Cup race at Charlotte the day before, and there were those on this board, who will be unnamed, that were not only happy that Johnson had a somewhat serious crash, but were also disappointed that he wasn't injured. And for those that think Johnson will get a "rocket" at Talladega, remember that even if someone has the fastest car, he could get in a wreck, even if he's leading the race because of how the whole field is bunched. Bad wrecks in 1973 and 1979 involved the leaders, and were not anybody's fault, and the horrible crash in the last July race at Talladega in 1996 started at the very head of the field with the cars running 1-2-3 igniting that day's second huge crash (there was a big wreck mid-pack earlier in that race). And at any rate, Johnson's strategy in the plate races has almost always been to lay back and wait until the final 100-150 miles to charge to the front, so there wouldn't be as many cars to have to get through. And on a much different note, today marks the silver anniversary of the biggest disaster ever to take place during, or around any sporting event, as it was on this day in 1989 that the earthquake stopped the World Series between the Oakland Athletics and the San Francisco Giants, who coincidentally, are in it again this year. For those that don't remember, or weren't even born then, that earthquake, which struck moments before the scheduled start of Game 3 (and right smack in the middle of rush hour in San Francisco), caused a section of the Bay Bridge, the very symbol of that World Series, to collapse (one section of the top deck collapsing to the bottom), I-880, the double-decker freeway in San Francisco, to flat-out collapse on itself, pancaking dozens of cars on the bottom of I-880, as well as under I-880, fires breaking out all over the San Francisco area, and between 70-100 people were killed, with untold thousands possibly saved by the fact that there was a World Series game scheduled for that night during the rush hour commute. Those who intended to watch the scheduled game that night will never forget that earthquake the single biggest disaster ever to take place during or around a sporting event, even though the game had not yet started. The World Series was delayed 10 days, setting a record for the longest delay in World Series history (the previous record had been seven days in the 1911 World Series for rain, which was contested between the same two franchises), and the A's completed a four game sweep, and couldn't even celebrate it, because of the disaster that took place on October 17, 1989. They have not won a World Series since then. Even the disaster that took place in the 1955 24 Hours of LeMans, when about 100 spectators were killed, pales in comparison to the World Series earthquake of 1989. 732. joey2448 posted: 10.17.2014 - 7:11 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Kyle Larson's a rookie that could win a race before the year's over. I know it's happened before, a rookie winning at a plate track. No matter who wins, I won't be upset over that." But racefangurl, rookies can't win races. They don't have the experience to do it. Oh wait, Larson's not 18 years old, I forgot. "Even the disaster that took place in the 1955 24 Hours of LeMans, when about 100 spectators were killed, pales in comparison to the World Series earthquake of 1989." Whoa, I wouldn't say the '55 LeMans tragedy "pales" in comparison, cjs. Both were pretty horrific. I mean, have you seen the footage of the pieces of cars flying into the crowd at LeMans? I'd say the LeMans disaster was more horrific from a visual standpoint, although the World Series quake resulted in more deaths. "What many don't remember about that particular weekend was that Jimmie Johnson had a pretty serious head-on crash in the Cup race at Charlotte the day before, and there were those on this board, who will be unnamed, that were not only happy that Johnson had a somewhat serious crash, but were also disappointed that he wasn't injured." I'll be honest and admit that I cheered when Jimmie crashed in that race, although not because I wanted to see him hurt. I would never hope for any driver to be injured of course, but at that time, I was so sick of seeing the 48 car suddenly morph into Superman mode every year and win championships, that seeing Johnson actually suffer a bad finish was a relief. Of course, the events of the next day no doubt left me feeling sick for about two days. I remember going to work (I was a cashier at Safeway) and hardly finding the ability to crack a smile. It was horrible. 733. DaleSrFanForever posted: 10.17.2014 - 8:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I have Aspergers. I was never officially diagnosed, but after researching it, I fit in almost all the categories. Right down to hating tight fitting clothing. 734. racefangurl posted: 10.17.2014 - 8:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) That earlier mention of the Wheldon Ambrose comparison was in reference to something I read that mentioned his death. Maybe an article or comment on one. He was described as a smiley guy, which would be like Ambrose or T-Bayne. 735. An Aussie Commentator posted: 10.17.2014 - 10:39 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) I'm "High Functioning Autistic", and in the same run as DaleSrFanForever. And I think Aspergers would explain DSFF not letting go of the Tony Stewart/Kevin Ward Accident (Hell, I still hold Spingate against Bowyer, and that happened more than a year ago) 736. cjs3872 posted: 10.17.2014 - 10:51 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Actually joey2448, I think the 1955 LeMans disaster resulted in about 100 deaths, while only about 70-80 people were killed in that earthquake (original estimates were way overblown), if I remember right, with most of the dead coming from the I-880 collapse. But the reason I say that even the LeMans disaster from '55 pales in comparison has to do with all the destruction that took place in the San Francisco area. And there may have been thousands killed if there wasn't a World Series game scheduled for that evening, because the quake hit right in the middle of the rush hour (5:04 PM Pacific Time), which means that thousands, possibly even tens of thousands of people that would have been on the roads were at the stadium, instead. And actually, another way they got incredibly lucky was that there was serious damage done to the top of Candlestick Park, and had they not begun to reconstruct the top of the stadium earlier that year, the top of the stadium could have come crashing down onto the upper deck, and the entire stadium could have crashed like an erector set with about 50,000-60,000 people in the seating area, and the number of people killed could have towered over even the number killed in the 9/11 attacks 12 years later. That's how big a disaster the earthquake hitting during the World Series was, and it was far bigger than anything that has ever taken place that has been associated with any sporting event, including the 1955 LeMans disaster. So yes, even the 1955 LeMans disaster pales in comparison to the earthquake hitting the during the World Series, because of all the damage and devastation it caused, not just at the stadium (and significant damage was done to Candlestick Park), but also miles away, damage that would take years to repair. 737. David posted: 10.17.2014 - 11:35 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "That's how big a disaster the earthquake hitting during the World Series was, and it was far bigger than anything that has ever taken place that has been associated with any sporting event, including the 1955 LeMans disaster. So yes, even the 1955 LeMans disaster pales in comparison to the earthquake hitting the during the World Series, because of all the damage and devastation it caused, not just at the stadium (and significant damage was done to Candlestick Park), but also miles away, damage that would take years to repair." I don't think the two are comparable. One was a natural disaster that was unavoidable, while the other was an unfortunate confluence of events with horrific and tragic results. 738. David posted: 10.17.2014 - 11:38 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) ^Add to that the fact that the Le Mans disaster would have never occurred if the race had not been run (not that that had a chance of happening anyway), but the earthquake would have happened anyway. 739. Benjamin Lowe posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:59 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) I like several members of this comment board have Asperger's Syndrome as well 740. David posted: 10.18.2014 - 10:19 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) Kyle Busch just announced via Twitter that he and Samantha Busch are expecting a child in May 2015. Kyle Busch is going to be someone's father. Let that sink in. 741. Reverend Lovejoy posted: 10.18.2014 - 10:38 am Rate this comment: (1) (0) "Kyle Busch is going to be someone's father. Let that sink in. " Egads! It's the demon child! 742. racefangurl posted: 10.18.2014 - 11:14 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) It's championships rookies can't win, not races. When I was in elementary school, Joe Nemechek was a newer driver and crashed a lot. I remember making a comment about how much he crashed and my dad told me "He's newer." So I have toilet bowl expectations in regard to rookies. If they or the circumstances in a race are incredible, then can be race winners, but that's all I see. If they're Cup rookies, they can be like Denny Hamlin and Tony Stewart, but that's all I can expect. They were three time race winners in their rookie years in the Cup, like Chase in the Nationwide. 743. murb posted: 10.18.2014 - 12:08 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) Nascar made them change Terry's scheme (it's just the Kellogg's livery now) because they apparently don't allow "asymmetrical" schemes. What a bunch of f***ing assholes. 744. David posted: 10.18.2014 - 1:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Nascar made them change Terry's scheme (it's just the Kellogg's livery now) because they apparently don't allow "asymmetrical" schemes. What a bunch of f***ing assholes." As inane and stupid as that is, the rule about having the same color on both sides has been around for a while, according to Sporting News (not sure why, it's not like there's a number there or anything to identify the car). 745. murb posted: 10.18.2014 - 1:26 pm Rate this comment: (1) (0) "the rule about having the same color on both sides has been around for a while" I've never seen them have a problem with it until this weekend. Kasey Kahne ran an offset red and white Vitamin Water Busch car one year (2006?), and they didn't even bat an eye. Seems like more typical Nascar inconsistency. Oh well. At least he'll still be running the Kellogg's colors. 746. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.18.2014 - 5:13 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) WOW. I don't have ESPNNews, but it sounds like Ricky Stenhouse will be a DNQ for the Cup race Sunday. 747. The Long Shot posted: 10.18.2014 - 5:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stenhouse, Sorenson, and Allgaier the three Talladega DNQ's. Wow. 748. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.18.2014 - 5:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) So many high ranking points guys were outside the top-36 fastest that decent cars like Stenhouse and Allgaier missed the race. I bet there will be changes to restrictor plate qualifying before next year. Seems like a lot of drivers endorse the idea of heat races. 749. The Long Shot posted: 10.18.2014 - 5:23 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Terry made it to the final round! Whoo-hoo! 750. Hinch77 posted: 10.18.2014 - 5:33 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Everyone waiting for the last possible moment... 751. David posted: 10.18.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Vickers is your pole winner. 752. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.18.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) All the drivers are saying how stupid this is, but I don't understand what so hard to understand about "you have 5 minutes to make a lap". 753. Hinch77 posted: 10.18.2014 - 5:37 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Terry will start 9th for his final career start. Maybe DSFF and Baker had something after all... Except for Johnson and Kahne, every Hendrick powered car in the sport, including the Ganassi and Stewart-Haas cars, got eliminated in the first round, whilst Johnson has a car faster than the USS Enterprise-D. 754. murb posted: 10.18.2014 - 5:40 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "All the drivers are saying how stupid this is" They're the ones being stupid. I have no clue why they don't just all go out at once and get in a big draft. All this "laying back" and "strategy" stuff is pure idiocy. 755. Anonymous posted: 10.18.2014 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Except for Johnson and Kahne, every Hendrick powered car in the sport, including the Ganassi and Stewart-Haas cars, got eliminated in the first round, whilst Johnson has a car faster than the USS Enterprise-D. " Kurt made it to round 2 as well. 756. David posted: 10.18.2014 - 5:48 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I'll say this right now: I am 100% against the idea of heat races. They're unnecessary, a risk to drivers and equipment, and have no place in stock car racing except for Daytona and Eldora. 757. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.18.2014 - 5:53 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Except for Johnson and Kahne, every Hendrick powered car in the sport, including the Ganassi and Stewart-Haas cars, got eliminated in the first round, whilst Johnson has a car faster than the USS Enterprise-D." I think that's because folks were playing games. Johnson actually was eliminated in Round 1 initially, but after review it was determined that some cars didn't start their final lap until after time had expired and thus those laps weren't counted officially after being counted initially. 758. Anonymous posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:02 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Stenhouse failed to qualify. Roush will be shut down by the end of the decade. As much as I hate to say it. I think the 2 and the 48 will make it and the 11 and the 24 will not make it. 759. Hinch77 posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:03 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) I agree with the above sentiment: the teams are being stupid with this system. Look at the farce we had at the Michigan truck qualifying. There must be some way to end these games without reintroducing the dangers of cars randomly pitting during the session. 760. Hinch77 posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:05 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Kurt made it to round 2 as well." I stand corrected. The 48 needs a win to make it, and even with the cluster that qualifying was I don't see it unless this somehow turns into last year's Daytona races where everyone seemed to be deliberately helping Jimmie win, which I doubt will happen. The 48 has proven to crack when under the pressure of the 2 team, which will certainly be a wrecking ball tomorrow. 761. Zackary Shawn posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:08 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) To me it's simple...updated NASCAR qualifying rule: When the clock begins for the qualifying session, GET YOUR ASS OUT ON THE TRACK AND MAKE A LAP, OR GET NO LAP IN AT ALL. 762. David posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:09 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Stenhouse failed to qualify. Roush will be shut down by the end of the decade. As much as I hate to say it. I think the 2 and the 48 will make it and the 11 and the 24 will not make it." Is that you, Schroeder? 763. SpeedWorld97 posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:16 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) Roush will not shut down. Do you realize how much money he makes from his partnerships with Ford and the Mustang? 764. Anonymous posted: 10.18.2014 - 6:30 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) "Is that you, Schroeder?" No. If Roush doesn't shut down, I could see them at least going down to a 2 car team by 2016. I think the 17 team will shut down. 765. Maverick11 posted: 03.18.2016 - 10:22 pm Rate this comment: (0) (1) I think the grand irony for me in this race was that when I was bored I decided to read through the comments on Keselowski's page. At the time I didn't like him, but after reading them (since they were pretty much biased) I was obviously like "Hey! Maybe he's not that bad after all!" And then the fiasco and his meltdown happens and I quickly remember why I never liked him, lol. 766. Larry posted: 10.01.2017 - 11:46 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) Administrator: It seems that beginning after this race some mathematical errors have occurred in the Traditional Standings, and continue through Homestead. Jimmie Johnson totally disappears from the standings, and it seems Kyle Larson has miscalculated points as well. Again, this occurs after every race from this race through Homestead in the Traditional Standings. 767. webmaster posted: 10.01.2017 - 12:07 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) @Larry: Thanks for letting me know about that problem, and I believe it has been fixed. 768. Yeet posted: 08.04.2018 - 10:24 am Rate this comment: (0) (0) " Demolition Derby baby" - Brett Moffit's Spotter while the cars were crashing into each other coming to the pit road 769. Sandy posted: 06.29.2020 - 11:10 pm Rate this comment: (0) (0) The last cup series race at Charlotte in the fall to be run at nighttime the next 3 Charlotte races from 2015-17 were all run in the daytime Before being replaced by the roval starting in 2018 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Post a comment:* Your comment may not appear immediately - all comments must be approved by the moderator. Name: Comment: